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Originally Posted by jonbxx

So give up and run away is the answer? Even, hypothetically, with Selmayr at the helm of the the commission, what about the Parliament and Council? There have been federal noises in the past but these have regularly been knocked back by the Council.

Why do you taint the argument that way? It's called walking away from a battle with stacked adverse odds. In reality, called a democratic vote by Referendum to leave the EU.

You are right about progress so far about federation. But now that Germany is demanding to be at the EC helm, surely we can see what is going to happen. One of their goals will be to save the Euro, which could implode if Italy goes tits up with its debt. This can only be done through fiscal integration which is then the first concrete step to federation because of the powers needed to be transferred to Brussels.

Oh - the Parliament. They want it as I've explained before because they would then trump national parliaments. They always cheer Verhofstad when he calls for federation.

Have you not thought this through properly?