[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Hugh

He did say ‘not many’, not ‘none’...

Okay so, gun crime has seen a 20% increase, this year alone:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/597170...y-forest-gate/

How is that any proof that the ban on guns lowers even gun crime?

Leave alone crime in general just gun related crime.

Just 6 months (this year):

• • February 12 Taxi driver Bulent Kabala, 41, shot dead on a roundabout in Enfield
  • March 8 Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, shot in Wood Green amid escalating gang warfare
  • March 14 Joseph Williams-Torres, 20, shot dead in a stationary car in Walthamstow
  • March 17 Student Russell Jones shot and stabbed to death near Ponders End station in Enfield.
  • March 25 Abraham Badru, 26, shot in Dalston, East London, without warning
  • April 2 Tanesha Melbourne, 17, gunned down by drug gang in Tottenham
  • April 2 Amaan Shakoor, 16, shot in the face outside Walthamstow Leisure Centre
  • April 9 An armed man was shot dead by police in Romford after threatening people with a gun near a petrol station
  • May 1 A 30-year-old man died outside Queensbury Tube station in North London after being found with serious injuries
  • May 5 Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton was gunned down in a drive by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London
  • May 6 Man, 22, is shot in New Cross, South East London
  • May 6 Boy, 13, blasted in head with shotgun while walking with his parents in Wealdstone, near Harrow, in North West London, as 15-year-old also injured in the head in the shooting
  • June 1 A 24-year-old man is fighting for his life after being shot with a "machine gun" in Brent, north-west London
  • June 3 Oluwafemi Omosuyi, 22, airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was shot in the face with a shotgun. another man, 25, suffered non-life-threatening injuries
  • June 6 A teenage boy was left fighting for his life after he and two others were shot in Brixton at around 11pm
  • July 9 Gunman shoots three times at woman, but misses
  • July 27 Four men aged between 20 and 22 were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after exchanging gun fire with police in Forest Gate
  • August 20 Armed police swarm a school in Maida Hill, West London, after "shots fired" as terrified staff cower in classroom cupboard
  • August 20 A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital following a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station

So guns are banned, and there have been 7000 incidents involving guns:

The number of lethal guns fired has increased by around 20 per cent since 2012.
Across England and Wales there were 6,694 recorded offences up to October 2017 - a 20 per cent rise.

Btw this from both left and right leaning sources:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8177161.html

Forces registered 37,443 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument in the year ending September 2017 – the highest tally since comparable records started in the 12 months to March 2011. Gun crime saw 6,694 recorded offences.

Den lauding it up as far as something to look down his / her nose at Americans is totally misplaced.