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Originally Posted by ianch99
When you said "religious liberty (deeply held beliefs) will trump all else" I assumed you meant in a broader sense. If you just meant it in relation to people's religious objections to do business with LGBT people, fair enough.
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Firstly sorry for the ridiculous delay in making the reply to you. I didn't mean to just disappear from this discussion, so my apologies - though I always remember to return to posts.
Umm yes on the latter as far as religious beliefs but it is an absolute that is to the discretion of the religious person, nobody else really gets to dictate what that objection is - your faith is your own.
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Just because someone is passionate about their rights doesn't make them a "whore". Expand to "gay whore" and do a web search for this and you enter a whole new realm
Your use of a derogatory term just deflects from your argument, bit of an own goal really ..
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Yeah and if I am being honest it was some frustration that caused me to use terminology that I know that I shouldn't have.
Some of the time when I know what a term is, I don't use it (like with Damien, I knew that what Kennedy did was to issue a writ of Mandamus - that is when a superior court tells one lower to it that it must follow such a ruling as setting judicial precedent) but I kind of felt like lashing out a bit so I explained to Damien that lower courts will "do as they are told" instead.
I didn't like his objection to Christianity being anything but an absolute...Christian principles are not some kind of negotiating or bargaining chip - our principles are not something that we can or would reconcile with whatever takes someone else's fancy.
In regards to prostituting a single cause above all else, I really don't know what the corresponding term would be, the way that Mandamus is used when discussing administrative and procedural acts. I don't expect you to be well versed in that so I did explain it to Damien, all be it in a condescending way - like I said, I felt like lashing out, some. (Also I know when I am 100% correct, that was one of those instances). I know that I won't know the word I am looking for here in regards to the way that people try take a "pet" issue and make it their one and only cause (is pet a better word for it?) but I know that "whoring" might come off as meaning something totally different.
Again, even with that argument I didn't mind if it deflated the point some, because I knew that I was correct. It was acerbic and distasteful, so I am sorry. I will try be less abrasive in the way that I communicate.
That was the other reason that I didn't bother to post a while. Seeing everything go up in smoke for the leave side, over the EU vote made it easier than saying "I told you so" about May. Almost everyone (other than OB) now universally hates her. What got to me though, was the way that I was formulating the argument in my own head...I saw it as a "see you can never break Christian spirit the way you can just crush nationalism" and I started getting disappointed in myself for beginning to belittle those that disagreed with me. (Like the back of the line stuff etc). I can get along with most people and I got annoyed at myself for thinking "well Christians will never compromise but clearly nationalism can be sold up the river"..so I stopped posting and calmed down a while.
May split the dummy and got her cabinet to agree on Chequers. The ones who have some principle, resigned. Others who don't (like Gove) sold out like 2 dollar....okay I am going to try keep it cleaner. That was easy to predict and obvious to most. However no Christian would ever do the same ; if you are a Christian you are never going to "settle" your conscious to comply with absurd nonsense. (Numerous examples, like the Hobby Lobby case, little sisters of the poor etc) all gave the idea that as Christians we were just going to idly sit by and just part take in very unchristian things I felt like a clear example did need to be shown of someone who does break.
That is not, never has been and never will be Christians...I was just speechless at someone like Damien suggesting that would ever be the case, so I lashed out some.
That was the reason for some of my sultry language. So please accept my apologies.