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Old 15-07-2018, 17:23   #489
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post



We will be out of the Common Fisheries arrangements, which means that we control our own waters. So we decide who fishes there, just as we did pre-common market. The fisheries industry has been crying out for this change. [SEPH]: Oops. I hope you really aren't wearing rose tinted specs. The Fishing industry want the waters back; May has left the door open for the EU boot to wedge in as a negotiating point for other things we want. She has used vague wording here to allow here to give stuff away to the Brussels turds.

Theresa May has already confirmed that under her proposals, we will no longer be under the control of the ECJ. [SEPH]: Oh please. A whole swathe of stuff, including social policy, are to be aligned to EU rules and thus enforced by the ECJ. True, we can decide to diverge in which case it's Schmitt or bust as we come up against the arbitration panel and ultimately the ECJ. What's more the deal is silent on the Human Rights convention which lets the ECJ in on everything. Oh - just pointed out on TV - will I be able to buy a 2200 watt Hoover again?


I am struggling to work out what your objection actually is. I have no qualms about crashing out of the EU under WTO rules if we have to, but a trade deal relating to our EU trade is sensible. [SEPH]: I understand the need for compromise. But now reading this White Paper, we have rolled over and the Brussels turds will still want more. I'm disgusted at May - I'm even willing to entertain that she has been duplicitous all along.


We want trade deals all over the world. The one we are discussing now just happens to be the EU one. [SEPH]: … and on terms that will ties us down from a customs perspective because we might be bringing in tariff free goods from, say, Singapore..

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I'm sure that these are your legitimate concerns, Seph, but I do think you are making assumptions here. Theresa May has emphatically ruled out remaining under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, for a start. You don't know that anything will be 'given away' in terms of our fisheries policy, and I'm not sure which social policies you think will continue to be in place.

There are parts of the White Paper I would like to see clarified, but we will have to wait for that. In the meantime, we should not jump to conclusions.
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