[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The incompetence of my guvmin is shocking. On a democratic basis, if there was to be no second referendum, one would have wanted the outcome to suit the Referendum result.

There is no doubt in my mind nor any Brexit supporters to whom I have spoken that leaving all the EU institutions is what Brexit means. Now the NI border outcome is enshrined in law and so the guvmin is unable to deliver Brexit - even if the EU were to stop saying "no".

I also have to say that Parliament is an unedifying spectacle. The main Opposition instead of mocking, should be helping; the Conservatives instead of entrenching, should back the Referendum result. I can't see a parliamentary way out of this even if May is toppled unless we hold a second Referendum.

Much as I hate the Brussels lot, I'd be almost as happy staying in and using picador sticks to keep them honest and keep the derogations we currently have.

Btw, I was never against EU freedom of movement. But I am totally against the EU Parliament having sovereignty over ours, which is the current EU policy of "ever closer union". An inner and outer EU wouldn't be a bad solution.

We're in a very difficult position. Brexit cannot now be delivered. A pity.

I think what TM is trying to prove is that 'no deal' is the only way of securing what the people of this country voted for. Brexit!

WTO, here we come! Then we wait for Brussels to crawl back, wanting to make some deals.