03-07-2018, 15:51
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Interestingly, I was looking at the audit numbers earlier. Here's the latest 'in brief' report - https://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECAD...ef-2016-EN.pdf . The error rate was 3.1% in 2016 which is above the 2% threshold. It is going in the right direction though;
2016 - 3.1%
2015 - 3.8%
2016 - 4.4%
Direct payments and administration are below the material threshold at 1.3% while reimbursements are at 4.8%. This is partly why the EU anti fraud agency is busy! Unfortunately, the biggest fraud so far was by the UK at €2.7bn...
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First of all, the 3.1% you mentioned still runs into over €1 billion.
Second, the alleged UK fraud you mentioned, is not part of the audit report that you referenced. In any case the UK government rejects the allegation and its methodology as reported in https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUKKCN1GK2CG
Third, on methodology, the Audit Court took 1,000 transaction samples out of the millions across the EU directorate. They then extrapolated the 1.3% across the total spend to provide their gross estimate of error. Apart from the 1,000 transactions being of questionable statistical significance for this type of investigation, I don't see where they've paid attention to where fraud or error is likely to be more easily committed. Their sampling method is questionable and I'm cynical enough to say contrived to show a benign trend.
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Interestingly, I was looking at the audit numbers earlier. Here's the latest 'in brief' report - https://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECAD...ef-2016-EN.pdf .The error rate was 3.1% in 2016 which is above the 2% threshold. It is going in the right direction though;
2016 - 3.1%
2015 - 3.8%
2016 - 4.4%
Direct payments and administration are below the material threshold at 1.3% while reimbursements are at 4.8%. This is partly why the EU anti fraud agency is busy! Unfortunately, the biggest fraud so far was by the UK at €2.7bn...
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Btw the referendum was in 2016 and working backwards for decades, the error rate even using their skewed method was inexcusable.
I'm ashamed for you that you accused the UK of committing a €2.7 billion fraud. The EU is making the accusation and our guvmin is refuting that allegation.
I really do want remainers to try and make our exit work rather than keep on about how much better it will be to stay in the EU. Respect the Referendum result, please.
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Last edited by Sephiroth; 03-07-2018 at 15:55.
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