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Originally Posted by ianch99

You can keep telling me until you are blue in the face but it will not make you right The facts are that 37% of the electorate decided the economic future of the entire nation for a generation based on a campaign of lies and misinformation.
[SEPH]: Fact or not, the democratic process is what governed the referendum result. Anyway, by corollary to your crass argument, 34% of the eligible population voted Remain. And by further corollary, 29% of the eligible population didn't vote remain (or leave). You then chuck in the "economic future" card. Again, utterly crass. The EU issue is not just a matter of economics. The UK is large enough to do very well in future. The EU question is very much about who tells us what to do and how they go about it. The EU question is very much about not standing for German hegemony and their engineering of the Euro (a point you have avoided answering). The EU question is very much about rejecting French manipulation of farming policy. You are very shallow in your arguments.

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The arrogance is astounding! The "Old People" "want the best", the "Old People" have "saved" the "Younger People" .. come off it. They didn't give a stuff what the younger generation wanted or needed.

Just be honest, they voted for what they wanted and for no other reason.
[SEPH]: Are you old? As I've said before in a response to an equally shallow set of words from you, the older people voted with wisdom and experience behind them. They did not want to wish that on their children and grandchildren who did not have wisdom behind then when they voted.

In an earlier post you prayed in aid to your shallow argument a so-called quote from Churchill. I can't find that quote and I've asked several times for you to point me (and everyone else) to the actual words issued by the great man. You're at perfect liberty to ignore the challenge, but if you can't substantiate what you said your credibility is shot.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

One of the reasons I wanted to remain was because of my kids. I don’t really talk about it much on here as it is more about feelings and a little self serving but here it is as we are talking about age...

My kids are 10 and 12 and as they get older, I would very much like them to work abroad. Casual work would be fine - strap on a rucksack and get out there and do bar or restaurant work for the summer. I was lucky enough to work abroad when I was 21 and it changed my outlook on life completely. It’s tough moving to another country, it definitely makes you grow up quick! It also gives you a much broader outlook on different nationalities. That opportunity has been taken away from them and that’s a real shame.

Yes, I am sure they will still be able to get jobs abroad but no way as easily as they could if we stayed in the EU.

See told you it was a bit fluffy and self serving!

This is an entirely respectable point of view. I know many parents who voted remain in deference to their kids and their perception of how they could take advantage of European integration. It's prolly why the result was 52/48 and not 55/45.

As I've said before, I'm not going to complain if we stay in the EU provided we keep our picador sticks sharp for prodding the Brussels turds. Also we need to keep sharp about German hegemony, keep in mind the German engineering the Euro to their advantage and French objection to CAP reform.