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Old 27-06-2018, 09:42   #1325
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas View Post
What are you basing that notion on?



No, they want those preparations because they know that their "dear Leader" (May) is about the most incompetent leader on the planet.



How many times do people have to say...there is nothing to negotiate. You either agree to the founding principles of the EU, or you do not. You are not going to negotiate a FTA without resolving a soft border in Ireland...you don't get SM access, without free movement. You don't get to negotiate some pie in the sky position. You either accept it, or you don't. You don't get to "negotiate" your way out of it, though.
Ah-ha: someone else on the bandwagon now openly trying to convince everyone that nothing can be changed - everything is fixed - we are all doomed.

This is the same kind of mentality Churchill faced in the late 1930s with Hitler, with the majority of the Commons arguing that appeasement was the only option, and interestingly, the public disagreed with their politicians then too.

You can keep saying that May is weak all you like, but your assessment does not take into account that she has got us this far in the negotiations despite the remainers and Brexiteers in her own party, a lack of a majority in the Commons, a Labour Party in disarray who cannot remember whether it wants to leave or stay and so just tries to disrupt and an EU determined to do all it can to upset the will of our electorate. Most would have given up long ago.

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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas View Post
That is the part of this that you are not getting ; there is no deal to negotiate. Does not matter how many times over May says that it is a negotiation / process under way the "no" will mean just that from Brussels. No to SM access without FM, no to FT without CU membership etc. These are not negotiations - they are refusals.

If they go hard / a hard leave then there is nothing to negotiate. If it is soft / a soft leave then there are simply going to be rules and stipulations that the UK must abide by and given that it can't then perks are going to be forsakes I suppose.

The EU won't decide which option the UK goes for - but whichever it is, the UK will have to abide by whatever is required in return ; whether that be sacrificing access or independence. One or the other.
The EU certainly has a choice. Start negotiating or the UK becomes your aggressive competitor. Their choice.

Frankly, I am OK with no deal and fall out, but understanding that this will cause short term disruption which many people are uneasy with, I am happy for Theresa May to attempt a deal in everyone's interests.

However, make no mistake, a no deal with the EU will hurt both sides, and while the UK will recover, the EU will slip into disadvantage, trying to compete with our lower tax rates, reduced bureaucracy and our new found entrepreneurism.
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