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Old 26-06-2018, 12:21   #3235
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
You only get frictionless trade by staying in the Customs Union and Single Market or something very close to it. Neither is acceptable to the business hating elite like BoJo and Rees-Mogg.
We do not need to be in a customs union. We can have an agreement which does not fetter our ability to trade with the rest of the world, but there is no point in staying in the Customs Union but pulling out of the EU. That simply doesn't make sense.

We will get a bespoke deal that addresses all these issues, but remaining in the Customs Union won't be one of them. If it was, we would be better staying in the EU, and that's what I would call looking forward to a dystopian future, where we lose the ability to govern ourselves and by stealth have all our freedoms taken away by bureaucrats, who finally thwart the politicians.

The future outside of the EU, by comparison, is distinctly rosy. I do believe the country is ready to take on the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Dave42 View Post
even the main Brextremists are admitting we be poorer and Boris heard say f business because they telling the truth and more people realising vast majority of people gonna lot lot poorer
I think you will find that this is based on a hard Brexit and falling back on WTO rules.

I see no reason why the country would be poorer if Theresa May achieves the trade deal she's said she will get, and remains confident of getting.

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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
^^^

this.

the only people pushing the idea of a hard border is the EU

they are using the good Friday agreement (something they have nothing to do with) as political capital
That's right, Pierre. Anyway, there are no shortage of ideas being put forward which could be harnessed to provide a solution to the Irish border 'problem'. Here's another one.

https://brexitcentral.com/practical-...-irish-border/

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Tier 1: Gold Standard treatment: Major Authorised Economic Operators (MAEO) for major commercial operations carrying high volume, low risk traffic. The EU already has an operational AEO scheme with lorries carrying stickers in their windows. A similar system is used on the US/Canadian and Mexican borders entitled Free and Safe Trade (FAST). This involves a number of checks in advance and participants declare their cargoes in advance online. No checks are made at the border.

The existing ‘trusted trader’ scheme works very well alongside: this ensures commercial operators that meet certain standards are given a special status with reduced paperwork, fewer document controls, priority treatment, and reduced delays and inspections. This is again successfully used on the US-Canada border with trucks hardly changing gear.

Tier 2: Silver Standard: A Special Authorised Economic Operators (SpAEO) based too on the existing EU AEO scheme but limited to the island of Ireland. This will be for the majority of participants and be more relaxed and very affordable for the MAEO treatment. Everything would be online and everyone would have their own account.

This scheme would work well for the estimated 80-90 percent of cross border trade in Ireland accounted for by small businesses – SMEs or micro-businesses – which are predominately in agriculture.

Tier 3: Bronze Standard: Pre-arrival Customs Clearance (PACC). This is based on best practice in pre-clearance systems worldwide and is limited to occasional and low-value transactions, and small scale operators in vans. It would all be done online.

The aim would be to make the system no more onerous than making an online application for a credit card or the London congestion charge system where payments can be made in advance or on the following day. The PACC’s aim should be to clear in as little as one hour before travel, a performance standard major countries meet now. The EU Customs Code already provides for the Simplified/Supplemental Declaration procedure for registered businesses.
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