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Originally Posted by Mr K
The daft old fart shouted 'object' even though he didn't really know what 'upskirting'was ! They should make sure any MP has at least been outside their front door in the last 20 years.
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Okay so back to the topic rather than the thread (as we should), this post kind of caught my eye.
Is it not a
good thing that Chope decided to get more time to find out about the issue / thoroughly figure out if it warrants more legislative fixes etc? Being an older man (of fine standing given his honors) surely it would be a bad thing if he was so well versed on the subject? Being involved in the fashion and modelling industry my entire life I may have a unique understanding but I would not expect your average MP to be clued in...that would lead to bad illusions, no? If he knew a lot about it I would suspect that the accusatory views would be that he was clued in either because something had happened to a female loved one of his, or that he was into the act or had spent a lot of time "researching" it (i.e. watching porn / pulling a Greene).
Given that he is not too familiar with it all (as you suspect) surely debating the issue more is a good thing, right?
Only looking at some of the supporters here (on the issue) not one has answered any of the more substantive questions that I have asked - or would you prefer that MPs also blindly follow onto a bandwagon and just vote in favor without any clue what they are voting on, too?
The most infamous quote through Obamacare's debate was the infamous lie of "if you like your healthcare plan / doctor, then you can keep your health care plan / doctor, Period" (which Obama said repeatedly, ad nauseum) but the biggest parliamentary obstacle / hurdle was passing the bill, and the then Speaker of the House (soon to be re-elected to the majority perhaps) said this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJ-pMomvLQ
It was lampooned, over and over and over again.
Sounds very similar to what you folks want it to be the case of, with this.
In post 63, aside from ripping on Maggie I did have something very specific to the procedure of the bill's passage which seems to have gotten lost through all the other stuff:
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Not one person has answered some of it and I don't mean that with any slide at you, some of those questions just don't have an answer as there is no legal text not to form a hypothetical argument on. They will have to write the law first (or the proposed one) and then we will debate it.
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First, parliament needs to know what it is even discussing / contemplating legislating. Then, after that debate it on the merits. If it passes then fine, let's see if it holds up in a court of law.
You don't however go with the approach of "let's pass it first, then see what is in it". That would be a little too Pelosi of you.
Be happy that Chope knows nothing of this, too - after the sex scandal in Westminster at least he is one honorable politician, if he is indeed clueless on the issue.