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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Yeah, not trying to persuade you, it was just my 10 cents as a remoaner Even if you didn’t agree, did it restore your faith in having questions answered by the ‘other side’? If I didn’t answer your question, please let me know.

Bless you. Do forgive me for going in rather hard. The 'other side' don't want to acknowledge such matters as German hegemony and are thus content to be EU rule takers. That is the 48/52 divide.

On the point of having question answered, you didn't! The question was:

But the nub of all this is are we to be the vassal state of the EU or do we plough our own furrow as a sovereign state?

You got into the logic of the term "vassal state" but avoided answering the nub as to reverting to a sovereign state.

Do you want the UK to be part of a federal Europe? In the EU but not in the federal arrangement? Out of the EU but vassal by being a rule taker? Out of the EU and fully sovereign?