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Originally Posted by Carth
I doubt there will be much sacrifice going on at all.
The affluent amongst us may notice a small increase in Rolex prices or the cost of that new Maserati. Exotic foreign holidays may be a tad more expensive but still easily affordable.
The poorer folk will just carry on getting further into debt buying the latest iPhone that they want but don't need, and possibly decide to keep that old Vauxhall Zafira for another year instead of trading up to an 08 plate Astra. Primark may see a rise in footfall 
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Nah pretty much all of what you said is fairly accurate actually. Your sarcasm is mostly true.
Just if someone who is rich says it, it will come off as snobbery / elitism etc.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Parliament should be carrying out the will of the electorate, given the result of the referendum. Parliament does not exist to actually thwart the will of the people!
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Technically Parliament
is the will of the people.
Each individual constituency voted for a member of parliament - they all sit in the house now.
Some things were done as a result of it - that stuff led to May continuing on as PM.
So when the will of the people is raw in form, every member of the House is in office, having been elected.
When people tamper about with the system, you end up with what Cameron had - a coalition government with a parent (Tory) and child (Liberal Democrat) partnership. Or like in this instance, May who is propped up by the DUP.
The raw will of the people gave May no mandate, no majority and with a plurality of the MPs in the house, she decided to command a government and ended up ummm....thwarting the will of the people who chose not to give her a majority?
Now obviously there is so much cringe in that post, I would need to take a bath to cleanse myself from all the filth of it but to anyone who continues "this will of the people" stuff, there is an equally nauseating response.
I wish people would grow a spine on every level and stop harping on about it as if it is some sacred / holy cow. Like the Democrats keep saying that Hillary got 3 million more votes...clearly the EC and parliamentary mechanisms for winning elections and forming governments exist for a reason but seriously cut the crap about Parliament carrying out the will of the electorate. Only if they were to do that, they would have thrown May out of the window by now. Yet it is your lot who keep her hanging around - who else would want this mes on their hands?
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Originally Posted by Carth
I guess the reason we're not progressing much is because the EU don't want us to.
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I don't know whether they do or not but it is hardly incumbent upon them to do it for Britain, is it?
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Maybe if they conceded a little here and there things would progress faster?
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Arrrrgghhhh - why should they? They have their 4 basic principles - why do they have to compromise, on anything? Davis came up with that same boat load of crap to Barnier, and what did Barnier tell him to go do?
How about this. Every time May says that she has a red line, how about everyone tells her to just "concede a little here and there?"
I mean she already does....ohhhh I get it!
Because we have a spineless leader who surrenders at every go, you want them to have one to level up the playing field!
Of course, that makes sense now.
Carry on.
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But that's not really in their agenda is it, they want the cake, plate and all the crumbs from underneath the table too 
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Ummm...it's their cake. We are the ones who want a permanent Icing (trade) flour (financial) and egg (security) co-operation from them.
All the while saying that we don't have to contribute anything to it, don't help make it and all boast about having our cake, eating it and of course ignore the fact that such analogies are really masquerading for the fact that the size of our cakes are significantly less than their's with a way lower caloric count.
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Well, I guess it depends on which forecasts you are comparing. There have been many occasions I have noted where the regional forecast has said the exact opposite of the national forecast for my area. They are both issued by the Met Office!
So provide two different forecasts and compare the reality with whichever one was correct! ��
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You didn't say it, Andrew, but you seem to love quoting them and the economists supporting your arguments as if their forecasts prove your point.
My point is that the forecasts they make a rarely correct. This is largely down to the assumptions made, so if their assumptions are wrong, the projections will be wrong.
And let's not forget that economists and civil servants always tend to take an over-cautious stance.
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Oh dear Lord.
I never thought that Spicy's fight with the media after Trump's inauguration would actually have some purpose to show a point for another political argument ever again, but here we are.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...fering-weather
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"There are times, like anything else, it's not alternative facts, it's that there's sometimes you can watch two different stations and get two different weather reports. That doesn’t mean the station was lying to you," Spicer said.
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Yeah, seriously.
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"The press was trying to make that seem like we were ignoring the facts. ... You can look at a weather report and one weather report comes out and says it's going to be cloudy, and the next one says there's going to be light rain," Spicer said. "No one lied to you, it just means you interpreted the data in a way that you felt got you to a conclusion."
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I love Spicy, but seriously - that was a stretch and then some.
However you have somehow managed to take that analogy, to a whole new level.
I m speechless.
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Yeah I thought that the weather analogies were something...Hugh has a lot to answer for, lol.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I have decided to cross the road.
Looking around, I see a lorry coming towards me, but having decided to cross the road, I will not let any obstacles, no matter how dangerous, stop me crossing the road - any pain I suffer will be worth it in the long term, as long as I have achieved my goal.
It doesn't matter that no one mentioned lorries were going to intersect my path when I made my decision, the important thing is I do not let relevant current information which was not available at the time I decided to cross the rooad which might validly affect what I am trying to do change my mind.
Excellent approach to life.
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Oh I dunno lol...chickens crossed roads at Dover / Calais for decades and ended up dead / roadkill / meat for those in the jungle.
Now with queues and lorries backed up to a standstill after March of next year around the ports, chickens crossing roads in front of lorries has never looked like having more of a chance of success!
Boris even predicted as much in his latest audio recording.
Means that Gove definitely won't have to make the decision on whether to import in Chlorinated chickens or not. So in that sense, leaving the EU has definitely worked out for Gove - chickens everywhere and Kamikaze analogies in threads continue.
