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Old 12-06-2018, 20:06   #3003
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Democracy allows people who lost a vote to continue to express their opinions and to advocate further change.
Until the required answer is given!

People have well and truly seen through that one, Damien, and that is not what I call democracy. A cynical manipulation of the electorate by the establishment is what that is and I don't accept it.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Who?

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The link you provided was found by Hugh not to support your argument so instead you try and move the debate onto something else entirely. Others can judge what that might mean about the absence of evidence to support your original bold statement.

The chances of economic forecasts being more accurate from skilled professionals working for the British Government are far, far higher than those you and I can conjurte up on the back of a fag packet. It is unfair and slightly arrogant to write off the work of an entire bunch of people in the way you attempt to do.

They are not making incorrect assumptions, they are using the wide range of information they ahve at their disposal and have modelled a range of scenarios. All showed that the UK would perform worse outiside the EU.

Now onto your strawman proposition and ramblings of people apparently forecasting a dystopian future. Humourous stuff yet no one is forecasting abject poverty. What is being forecast is that the UK will perform less well than it would do if the status quo remained.
We will be getting a no tariff trade deal as part of the deal which will be on offer. I accept, however, that we are not there yet with an arrangement on services.

I have not tried to 'move the debate on to something else entirely' as you put it at all. The Brexit debate has many aspects to it, and I'm not going to keep saying the same thing on the same subject many times over to please you. I think I really ought to pull you up for ignoring my point about forecasts being wrong time and again, including about Brexit.

I know of many Remainers who see a dystopian future, Andrew. Glad to see you're not one of them....or so you say.

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
That article doesn’t mention "tariff free" - it states "tailor-made” trade deal".

And it’s from the 20th December 2017
It says that early on in the report, and later on it mentions a 'Canada style' free trade deal.

I don't see what the date of the article has to do with it. Barnier has been of this view for some time, but remainers tend to ignore that fact.
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