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Old 08-06-2018, 21:07   #2905
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas View Post
Sorry, yeah that did go a little OT. (I did try not to go on too much about the works VS faith argument). Yeah, I do have a lot of personal respect and love for JRM as a person. I never used to be as far right as I am on various issues but conservatives / Republicans were the ones who always remained opposed to abortion / God in the public square etc so I could easily reconcile some of my other positions pretty easily. Obviously I would never compromise my faith so I steered closer to those who shared it - the likes of JRM do so I stood by his membership of the house. Yes, I may not agree with Dr Fox on much but as a pro life Catholic who is opposed to gay marriage I would definitely support either him or Phillip Hammond to become the next PM if it had to be one of the current cabinet ministers. (Hammond was opposed to the gay marriage bill, too). Even though Hammond was a remain campaigner and Fox was adamant on leaving the EU they commonality on faith makes their social stances rise above whatever differences they have over Europe.
I know your belief is sincere, Chloé, but I think we should make up our own minds and think for ourselves on these matters, rather than rely on ancient texts written by people who lacked the depth of understanding we now have. The danger of unconditional belief are amply demonstrated in the rise of ISIL.

Look at abortion from a different perspective. Rather than just quote from a firm 'belief', argue the point that abortion involves the murder of a human being who has consciousness and feeling. The issue should not be whether the baby is capable of living after abortion, but whether it can be conscious of its situation and feel pain. If it can do so, then abortion in those circumstances is murder, pure and simple. Abortion at up to 12 weeks, to my mind, is acceptable, based on what I know.

As far as the subject of this thread is concerned, I don't think religion is relevant at all. Either Brexit will work or it won't. Personally, I think there are enormous potential benefits from getting out, and the real danger is staying in. This monolithic monstrosity will implode sooner or later, and we don't want to be in it when that happens.
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