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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
They had a Kenyan in office until Trump won so I reckon a Brit could get away with it too.  |
I think at the time of his birth, had Obama been a Kenyan he would have actually been a Brit, or was he born after Independence?
(Not that he was a Kenyan, lol...case anyone though this exchange was based on anything but humor).
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Originally Posted by Damien
Isn't that a Twitter poll? If you make a point of ignoring polls where they're conducted by professionals who get a representative sample it's a bit much to then cite a Twitter poll.
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Yeah on a political site I admin there used to be a poster who would just compile his own graphs, upload them as attachments, and cite them for the purpose of pointing towards them as empirical data for financial and economic data. It was working fine for him until someone questioned where he got the data, then the gig was up for him.
In regards to polling at least Twitter / non bot related activity is at least based on human activity to some extent and not just totally made up the way he was doing it though for the most part he was not citing polling data.
The problem with this day and age is that it comes down to the old adage of "no, but my friend is"...kind of shame.
I.e. Question:
Would you not vote for / support Sajid Javid as he is brown (to become the next Tory leader / PM)
Answer:
No
Question:
Would any of your friends / family refuse to vote for / support Javid as he is brown (to become next Tory leader / PM)
Answer:
Absolutely!
The advantage of questioning like that in the
first person is that generally if it involves a contentious issue people prefer to remain anonymous. So in some ways, places like social media, are a safe haven - they can do it without leaving a trail of who they are.
So, looking at the way the likes of Farage / Rees Mogg etc are treated, it is a lot easier not to admit to having similar views as them than be tarred with the same abuse usually.
That is why I was saying to Mick, to hell with what the popular thinking is. I support JRM 100% of the way. I don't agree with him on anything to do with the EU, but I don't care one single bit. I am a Catholic and so is he ; he is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and would defend the faith any day - I hope he takes over the leadership of the party and becomes PM.
Even if it wasn't perfect for me, it is his principle that I love. He won't flip flop / cow tow to the latest fade and you know where he stands.
In that sense, I am proud of my views / would defend them any day - some folks rather do it through the prism of anonymity too, and that to me is more of a sign of the issues we discuss / their nature than the validity of the poll every single time.
I still stand by the fact that a lot of entities are bias in their views ; Daily Mail and Express are two that come to mind. They use traditional methods of polling where they at least know the details of those polled - even if they use independent polling companies. Their verification is subjective, their editorializing is selective and they use whatever bias they can to sell their point.
When done completely anonymously though, you tend to get the real truth as people do feel they have no backlash to fear. This is the one thing that I would wish Brits would lose most - the passive aggressive side of life, just quietly going along saying that everything has nothing to do with us.