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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
I've only really had good experiences with them and I've worked with hundreds if not thousands of them over the years, I do dispute their contribution though especially in terms of tax over the last 5 years though as a lot of them don't earn enough to pay tax!
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Hmm I had not thought about it like that. I always assumed that if you were in full time employment (for 36+ hours a week) that you would always earn enough to pay even the most basic tax - due to minimum wage requirements of employers.
Though it depends, to live in the UK do you have to have employment, or just means to support yourself? If it is the latter and they can fend for themselves, I see no issue if they don't earn enough to pay tax. Let them live.
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You could say that them doing the jobs we don't want is contributing though as it opens up a new tier of jobs for British workers but does that repair the damage they did to the British workforce 20 odd years ago when they were living 5 to a house and undercutting us left right and centre, back then I was shouting leave from the roof tops to anyone that'd listen but in my experience they're not like that anymore, which is why I voted remain, that and no one had a convincing enough reason that leaving would be worth all the effort, they don't want to work 300 hours a month anymore or share houses with half a dozen others.
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I added the bold for emphasis. Basically this comes back to my previous point - if 6 or 8 of them can live in say a three bed house, and they all pay a 6th / 8th of the rent then who is to say that is bad? If the free market does dictate and they can be a better bet for employers back pockets then why not? Is it not the solution to the fact that there are jobs that Brits do not want?
Technology should be able to do a lot of that in time to come but that is not yet available...for the mean time, don't immigrants fill that void?
Like you said, you don't feel like doing it...so let someone who does I suppose.
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The perception I mentioned is that they're the reason you can't get a doctors appointment, which when you think about it is nonsense, young, fit people don't need to visit doctors regularly, the reason you have to phone the doctor in the morning for your appointment now is because of the huge number of appointments that are missed and the other one is housing but again that's not entirely their fault as they're not in charge of housing policy or infrastructure, they're imo being blamed for things that should be laid at governments door oh and the other thing is how hard working they are compared to us, I've never met one yet whose work is consistently up to my standard or one who does the hours I do either
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That was a long sentence so I guess I will respond to it in two parts.
In regards to the latter it really boils down to your philosophy of government and whether you want them to take care of your ever need (like housing / healthcare etc).
In regards to stuff like young / fit and healthy people etc, this is the point that I was trying to make to OLD BOY in regards to payment of retirement and social care but to go even farther...who is it who uses these services? You are absolutely spot on, it is not those of us that are young (I just turned 30 last year) and have a lot of care needed / ailments at our age. We not only do pay into the system (immigrant or otherwise) but we also don't require constant cradle to grave / womb to tomb babysitting. I am not saying that older folks do, either but it is thanks to all of us who do pay into it now (without using it as much) that the older generation do have a chance. I have a doctors appointment every 3 to 6 months - I don't use it more than 3 or 4 times a year. At most I need scripts for cream on my hands and some drops for my eyes as far as regular use of a surgery. That is it.
Those of us (wherever we come from) who are younger rarely even use the services that we pay so much for. Don't even get me started on social housing....immigrants from Eastern Europe all use
private accommodation - they are not even eligible for government assisted housing.
We (younger people) not only pay for all this stuff, but we don't even use it.