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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I take it you are a remainer, then, Chloé!  |
Yes, but only to the extent that I voted to remain and think that it was a better option to remain. I am not bitter about it (though I disagree with the decision entirely and think it is hilarious that they think that it will fix anything in regards to immigration) and bear no ill will to those voted to leave ; so long as they can respect the rules / order of the EU. If the EU says "no" to some max fac Customs idea then the UK has to accept that. What really pissed me off was some months ago (right at the start of the withdrawal) when Davis said that the "EU needed to be more imaginative..."
He had a total disrespect for where they drew the line, a total lack of respect of their four principles and would whine and bitch whenever the EU returned suit. If M Barnier turned around told him "Brexit means imagination" every time May said she had red lines, Davis would have had red lines on his face to the extent his smiles would have splattered by the blood vessels that burst in her neck.
People want friction-less trade? Stay a member of the CU. Want access to the single market and free movement of capital? You will have to accept free movement of people. Simple as that. Fine, Britain voted to leave. I didn't agree with it but the EU does not have to cowtow to the demands of the British and it is about time that we as a nation learned to accept that.
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Originally Posted by Mick
Not when the debating is talk about stopping or thwarting the leave result, or constant chatter about remaining in parts of the EU. The leave vote won. It was either one or the other, not half in, half out.
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Exactly, and so long as the same principles apply to every other body of the EU that the UK wishes to be a part of, then so be it.
Want to be a part of the CU? You can either be in, or be out. No half ass measures.
Want access to the single market? Stick to the 4 principles. Not this "we can have a Canada / Norwegian / tech based / bespoke cake that we will have, and eat it, too!" (And then claim that the cake is so wonderful the obesity issues of the UK are gone and that we don't know what to do with the 350 billion as times are so good and the NHS is saved etc!)
Seriously, though I don't think that me and you disagree on this much. We both want the respective sides to just stick to the agreement and principles there of. If we are out, then we are out and have to accept what comes with that. Like you said, we voted to leave, right? If that means entirely, then so be it. (Though I am not sure the British people will ever all sync on that one). It also means though if that the UK wishes to leave all those EU entities then it loses things, like access to the SM and friction less trade. Sound fair?