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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not surprising really as it was aimed to just run down the EU and Germany in particular. It disregards the positive contributions made by Germany to Europe in the decades since the war.

The EU, motivated by Germany in particular has been instrumental in negating the nationalistic tendencies that have been responsible for so much loss of life in recent times. It has it's flaws like all pan-national organisations but the net value to the stability of Europe is tangible.

It is sad that the recent populist movements & decisions aim to undo this work and take us to a darker, more self-centred & insular nationalistic future.

Mr Putin is licking his lips ...

How can you be so positively attracted to Germany? The context here is BREXIT.

It is not a reason to stay in the EU because Germany has managed to climb out of its horrible past and do some good things for Europe (if indeed it has). It certainly has done nothing good for us; nothing.

It is a reason to leave the EU that we have failed to get the EU to reform; it is a reason to leave the EU because German hegemony is an entrenched German interest that is contrary to ours.

European altruism is misplaced in these circumstances.