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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
So we should let them get on with it and standby and watch atrocity after atrocity doing absolutely nothing. The UK has been more open then any other empire about the abuses it committed and has worked very hard to make up for it's past but saying the past should prevent current action means we might as well just withdraw from everything and become the insular xenophobic little island many think we are becoming.
Just had a look at your claim that we gassed the kurds in the 1920's and cannot find a single reputable source to confirm it but there many reputable and credible sources to say it was considered but never implemented so a link to your information would be helpful.
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It didn't happen, in the 90's an American democratic senator or congressman claimed we did it and the slur has stuck, he should have just kept it simple to how it wouldn't have been possible for Saddam to have gassed Iranians or Kurds without our help.
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Originally Posted by Damien
The problem is at some point people learn that your own Government can lie and that the West has done bad things. That the world isn't quite divided into good vs bad. With this breakthrough that every teenager thinks they alone have made they 'question everything' but in reality this often means simply replacing 'official' stories with conspiratorial ones irrespective of evidence.
But this is where that development stops and they spend the rest of their lives with that mindset rather than taking a nuanced approach that would suggest sometimes the 'bad' people are also acting in self-interest, they too can lie and sometimes they're in the wrong and not Britain/America/France/whatever.
They think they're resistant to propaganda, that they have 'open minds' but they're the most easily manipulated of them all. Just by a different country is all.
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Bad things like almost doubling the number of civilian deaths from air strikes
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...st-double-year
Guess that's different from gassing people although the effects are pretty much the same admittedly, they're still dead
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Originally Posted by Damien
It's pretty worrying if that were the reason. Can't have military actions provoked because the President is upset. 
I think action needs to be taken but I think Russia are too entrenched in Syria now. On Sky News a guest pointed out that the Russians have Russian-manned anti-aircraft guns. Would the US attack those? Would they risk ignoring them and, if so, would Russia attack the US to stop them attacking Syria?
Maybe the die was cast back when Parliament voted not to go with the US in supporting anti-Assad air-strikes - Labour voted against - which undermined the US ability to go in.
Further economic isolation of Russia might be an answer. The Russian economy did take a bad hit after they invaded Ukraine and how long can Putin maintain strong control if he loses support of powerful, rich, Russians? |
Thing about the Russians is they can take almost any level of deprivation and suffering, maybe not the crooks at the top who have raped the country but the ordinary people, sanctions won't bother them at all imo