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Old 19-03-2018, 15:34   #2445
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
David Davis's approach of "Yes EU, how high do you want us to jump?" has paid off and we thankfully won't have a train wreck of no deal that Brextremists have been clamouring for. I suspect they will be the most unhappy about today's announcement; most people will be happy that disaster has been averted.

Britain's fishermen catches are primarily sold to the EU so nothing will change on that front if they want to continue doing so.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a7954641.html

Ireland remains a problem as what the UK Government has agreed to as a backstop is unacceptable to the DUP so the hard negotiations are with the DUP and not the EU. In effect, the can has been kicked 21 months down the road on this issue. The salvation for Theresa May is that Northern Ireland DUP supporters are now better understanding the benefiits of the single market and customs union so the DUP may change its position over the next 21 months.


We have. If you read previous news items, you will see that this was a key issue with Ireland telling the UK that the UK had to acknowledge the back stop solution but the UK held out against this.
Norway and Sweden are both in the single market so this solution is a strange comparison. The only solution is the UK-DUP or Ireland backing down. No magical solutions exist or we would be hearing about them now.
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It's time to face the facts Old Boy. According to Rees-Mogg that's exactly where we will be during the transition period. "Under the time limited period, the UK will have to abide by all existing EU rules but will lose its say in the decision-making process."https://www.ft.com/content/493af6d6-2b53-11e8-9b4b-bc4b9f08f381
In actual fact, the Brexiteers have welcomed this achievement, Andrew, and it is a demonstration of how careful you should be in interpreting what people say. I have said on a number of occasions that this is a negotiation, and in a negotiation you start with the extremes of what you want to achieve and work back from them. That way, both sides get the maximum they can in the eventual agreement.

On fisheries, it is not the exports that are the problem, it's the fishing quotas. By the end of the transition period, I want the UK to get back control of fisheries policy, taking account of the traditional fishing rights we had before we joined the Common Market.

As I said in my last post, the NI issue we've agreed on is purely a backstop and we will work back from that. You are right to say that neither TM nor the DUP will wear that, so that is clear. The backstop was agreed to give the UK space to develop a solution that the EU will accept and keep Ireland quiet in the meantime. However, a better solution will be found, or there will be no agreement. On the possible solution, Norway is in the EEA and it has access to the single market, but it's not part of the single market. We don't wish to be part of the EEA, of course, but the example was to show how this cross border arrangement could work. However, the answer we come up with will be unique to the UK.

I am certainly facing the reality of this situation, Andrew, but you seem to prefer problems to solutions. We are getting to where we want to be, and sooner or later, you will come to see that.

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