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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Still no evidence that Obama spoke to the FBI or interfered in any of its investigations. eg he may have requested an aid to get an update of the Russia investigation.
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Did you say that without applying any logic?
Obama getting an Aide to get into contact with FBI is still Obama getting in to contact with the FBI.
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Originally Posted by Damien
That is a very partisan breakdown. The fact it uses loaded language 'minor missteps by Trump' but 'weaponised intelligence' by the FBI is a red flag. If such language were used in court it would be overruled. You don't just get to insert dubious, unproven, premises into discussions like that.
It says it was done only for political gain which is unproven. You can't just assume what the intention was for the FBI to open their investigation. You can't assume the intel gathered from these wiretaps was done for political gain especially when the the period largely covers time after the election.
I don't think there was a FISA warrant on Trump, it was on Carter Page, so I don't know where this FISA warrant on Trump comes from. I haven't been paying attention in the last week so maybe that's a new revelation. But the memo was about the warrant on Page not Trump. So that just seems made up.
I don't really see the point of these discussions anymore because we're operating in different worlds. I never heard of Trump having a FISA warrant against him and nor does it appear has any mainstream source I can find. I google it and all I get is NWO/Illuminati sites. If we haven't got a common basis for what can be considered reliable or true then this is useless.
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A FISA Warrant on Carter Page, is all they needed to start spying on Trump, so in essence, it is still a FISA Warrant on Trump. A normal FISA Warrant grants surveillance of any contacts of the FISA target and it doesn’t stop there, then the contacts of the contact.
You read GOP Memo, they renewed the FISA 3 times, every 90 days, using the Dossier to justify the renewel, the Dossier was about Trump, not Carter Page. Thus, the FBI/Intelligence agencies, I’d say, were really after surveillance of Trump or his campaign staff, or both.
FISA renewals are strict in that a new identifiable and justified reason should be used, it wasn’t, the Dossier was used every time.
So going back to that Breakdown which you claim is partisan, is actually fairly accurate actually. Deputy Director, Andy McCabe did say no Dossier, no FISA Warrant in a testimony. You’ve admitted in the past you’re no legal expert, so you cannot say what would be overruled any more than I can.
Just out of interest. Did you miss the NYT article on the Intelligence Agencies trying to pay for dirt from the Russians on Trump, this weekend?