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Old 04-02-2018, 21:15   #1925
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
It's the remoaners who are in denial, Andrew. Denial that this country can stand on its own two feet, as incidentally we did pretty well for centuries before we joined the then EEC.

The point you don't want to ponder is that we may actually get a trade deal that includes services when we pull out of the EU, and that on top of that, we will get increased business with the rest of the world. That would make us better off, not worse off.
No one is saying that the country can't stand on its own feet. It's worth noting that the World has changed technologically, economically and politically since we joined the EU. Countries like China and South Korea now command massive economic strength and the best trade negotiations occur when you have most to offer ie a market of 500m not 65m.
The issue is that the UK will enjoy less influence in Europe (eg Europol which we heavily steer) and the economy will grow less strongly than if we had remained in the EU. Until a form of transport exists that can transport people and goods as rapidly and cheaply between the UK and Europe as between the UK and the rest of the world, trade deals with neighbouring countries will always outweigh those with more distant countries.
If you read the Government's analysis, you would realise that trade with the rest of the world would add less than 1% in GDP whilst leaving the EU would result in a 2%-8% reduction in GDP. That analysis makes uncomfortable reading for some and I appreciate you may wish to turn a blind eye to it.

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