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Originally Posted by Damien
A trade deal does not mean no hard border. The EU has a trade deals with several nations and there are still bordered. America has borders despite being in NAFTA. That’s not what a trade deal means.
The government clearly does not have alternative plans because if they did we would know them by know. There is either a border or there isn’t and irrespective of your personal faith that May has not moved on the Customs Union it’s there in black and white that the fallback option should the border not be sorted that the U.K. will not put one up.
If you want goods to move freely between nations without custom checks then you need to be in the Customs Union. If we say we’re simply not going to put up a border in the special case of Ireland the WTO says the same applies to other nations.
You’re entitled to believe whatever you want and overall I think May has down well by Brexiters but even the most loyal hardcore Brexit people can see there has been movement on the issue of the border.
I am not even sure if you’re serious because it seems every item of the agreement was a fantastic win for May to the point of parody.
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Pessimism reigns on this thread!
We already have the same regulatory regime with the EU, and in terms of our trade with the EU, this will remain the same in key areas. The government is being very clear that there are alternatives to having a hard border and this will be the subject, or one of the subjects, to be discussed in detail during Phase II. Watch this space.
There has been no movement in relation to the border - you are letting your imagination run away with you. Do you really think those prickly Northern Irish politicians would allow that? They interrupted TM's celebratory dinner to clarify that very point.
I am well aware that a trade deal does not automatically mean no border controls, and you have rightly pointed to examples where borders still exist. However, ours is a special case, and all parties - the UK (and in particular, Northern Ireland) and the EU (including the Republic of Ireland) - want there to be no border. It makes sense, therefore, to ensure that any trade deal covers this aspect for the benefit of all.
Once again, I have to remind you that we cannot both be in the customs union and forge our own trade deals. That is certainly not what the government has in mind when it talks about not having a hard border with the EU on the island of Ireland. What I think the government is aiming at is having each country carrying out border checks on behalf of the other.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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That doesn't mean we can't have one!
TM has made it clear that she intends to negotiate a unique deal for Britain. You don't always have to follow what others have done. A bit of imagination is required in this game.
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Originally Posted by Gavin78
Thing is trade has already being setup through being a member. the EU doesn't have the task of setting one up from scratch.
We know and they know how it works. So we go in with the same trades we already have we don't have to talk about chloride in chicken or anything like that. The only difference is in the future when we have left and future trade deals may need talks depending on where the EU wants to take themselves.
We know for one thing it's not as stable as it would like to be. 40bn won't prop up the EU for long, it will be interesting to see who they actually trade with now they don't have the financial support of the UK where they wouldn't have given them a second thought
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Quite agree.