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Old 19-10-2017, 12:10   #410
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Mick View Post
Given they got most of their other forecasts wrong, I would say is a given, oh and that big fat sum they were given by the EU, is another?

You cannot be seriously expecting me to believe something written from people paid from the very people we are trying to leave, surely?
The OECD has received more money from the UK than from the EC. The UK is a primary tier funder.

You have, on this very thread, said that you will 'never' regret your vote to leave the EU so it seems reasonable to assume that you will reject any evidence with the potential to cause regret whether it's the OECD, one of the dozens of studies on this, or the UK's own impact studies if the government ever release them.

Probably easier and faster to say 'It's BS because I don't agree with it.'.

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Originally Posted by Mick View Post
I am pretty sure you mean David Cameron, he definitely mentioned it and I am deliberately including a link to the mirror here, as you know, hardly Tory fans...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ld-war-7928607
I suspect you Googled Brexit and World War 3.

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Introduced by Labour ex-Foreign Secretary David Miliband at the British Museum in London, he said: "Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?
He didn't say anything about World War 3. The first mention of it was from Boris Johnson. Peace and stability on our continent isn't assured - Russia are making a PITA of themselves in the east.

FWIW it was a stupid, fear-mongering comment from Cameron that was a waste of oxygen, but it's inaccurate to suggest anyone other than Johnson first announced that he meant leaving the EU would trigger World War 3.

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Originally Posted by Osem View Post
If we remain now it'll be with our tail firmly between our legs and our government in cahoots with those who run the EU will ensure the rules are changed and that we can never leave. Juncker has spelt it out quite clearly and after decades of experience at the hands of these people and certain of our own leaders, it's clearly not just one man's hot air. The UK powerful within the EU? Really? We're so powerful that they wouldn't budge an inch prior to the Brexit vote or since.

Anyway in other EU news:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-paper-shows
So much for them bullying us and wanting to make it as hard as possible for us to leave, which you seemed enthusiastic to agree with, oh, yesterday.

According to people who actually know about EU law the concessions David Cameron won were actually about as far as the EU could go. But, hey, various extremely Euro-sceptic politicians and media said otherwise. Experts, pfft.

The paranoia is interesting though, fearing that the UK's government would cede powers to the EU. If that happened that would be what's known as Parliamentary democracy in action. It would also likely be direct democracy in action as, as has been mentioned many times and steadfastly ignored, it would trigger a referendum.

People speak disdainfully of safe spaces and snowflakes. Safe spaces seem to come in all sorts of forms, one of which being ignoring everything you don't agree with, and snowflakery in a form of being unable to handle the concept that you may be wrong about things.

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