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Old 07-09-2017, 00:52   #2783
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

I don't get how anyone claiming that Brexit will bring sovereignty and democracy can support that bill without amendments.

It does something the EU doesn't, it makes Parliament no longer sovereign. Ministers none of the population voted into their roles can amend legal acts with no Parliamentary scrutiny, debate or vote.

If you support the bill as it stands you don't support Parliamentary sovereignty or Parliamentary democracy. It's agreed something along those lines is needed, but most definitely not what's proposed.

If, as we keep hearing, the people voted for democracy and Parliamentary sovereignty respecting their votes is rejecting executive power grab and ensuring Ministers have the bare minimum they need, that they will be heavily scrutinised and that the final say on the end product is taken by Parliament, if not the people, though it should probably be Parliament. We are a representative Parliamentary democracy, not a direct or delegation one after all.

In its current form the Government could make a complete and utter cock up of Brexit. They could either leave us the EU's bitch, paying huge amounts into the budget forever, or they could leave us unable to fly planes due to no Open Skies agreement with no access to nuclear materials due to not replacing Euratom and massive queues at borders for freight, crippling JiT split chains. We could do nothing over this. Our MPs would get no vote and no opportunity for debate.

Whatever side of the wider debate you are on I can't see how this can be supported without beign obsessed with leaving the EU at any cost - even your and your elected representative's ability to scrutinise and vote on the end result.

You like this bill there's got to be something higher up your priority list than either sovereignty or democracy. This curls a great big one out all over both of them.

Incidentally when the PM claimed the Lords were in favour she lied. They are absolutely not in favour of what she has put forward, just the concept that some use of Prerogative powers is needed, not their use subject to vague and worthless restrictions, as Ministers get to interpret the restrictions and can remove them at their discretion.

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