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Old 29-08-2017, 14:10   #2701
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by Osem View Post
They've never convinced me about anything except that they can't be trusted - the last election and what has happened since is further proof of that if any were needed.

https://order-order.com/2017/08/29/m...ng-referendum/

John McDonnell claiming that what his party is suggesting now is not respecting the referendum. Well it's what he was saying before the last election anyway...
Rather than leaving options, considering what's best for the country and giving themselves, on both sides, latitude to monitor the situation and adjust position appropriately. May eliminated a bunch of options unnecessarily to score UKIP votes and then having done nothing to prepare triggered Article 50 according to an arbitrary timescale. McDonnell and the Corbyn posse blagged to try and keep the young, and overwhelmingly favourable to the EU, vote, while simultaneously trying to ward off the nationalist vote the Tories are going after.

Davis and Fox's departments being created have both had the unsurprising impact of sticking functions that should be handled in tandem in silos, and caused extensive overlap with existing departments. We lost a bunch of time trying to ramp the civil service up to properly staff those departments, and it has shown in that it's taken until this month to start producing 'position papers', and those that have been produced are half-arsed and basically come down to, in the short term at least, trying to remain in the EEA under a different name.

It's ended up in that ridiculous situation because politicians couldn't keep their mouths shut in an attempt to win as much support from the 52% as they could, and wasted time on internal party and civil service squabbles, in between urinating away a couple of months on a pointless election.

The EU have made their positions abundantly clear - http://jackofkent.com/brexit-negotia...resource-page/

The UK politicians continue to negotiate with one eye on the Express, Mail and Sun, and most of the other on 2022.

We need to get serious. The EU are being inflexible. We need to make it easier for them to show some flexibility by actually telling them in which direction we want them to bend. For them to break away from the positions set out in the documents will take months of agreement and ratification as, contrary to popular belief, the EU isn't a dictatorship and those documents were agreed by rEU-27 and must be modified by consensus too.

The clock's ticking. If we aren't going to make a serious attempt it's time to stop wasting taxpayers' time and money and stop feeding further uncertainty into the economy, take the hit and jump off the cliff. The current situation is demeaning to the UK and diminishing our reputation for stability, diplomacy and pragmatism even further abroad. A reputation we will be relying on worldwide if we don't either join EFTA or remain in the CU.
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