RizzyKing

With the growing problems within the EU atm mainly immigration and the southern financial nightmare I'd say in the last year the EU has moved closer to collapse or a reduction in member states which would be a disaster of a different magnitude. Add in that anti EU feeling is growing within all member states and depending how organised they become could start impacting the EU within the next five to ten years only a fool would talk in terms of the EU continuing longterm. The establishment in the EU has demonstrated time and again that they are at best slow to address issues and often just disregard them such was the attitude when cameron went to try and get meaningful reform and instead came back with nothing of real worth.

Quite a few EU politicians felt quite chuffed with themselves sending cameron back with nothing i wonder how chuffed they felt after we voted to leave and the prospect of no trade deal with the UK being gauranteed. Whilst remainers always want to frame the debate about what we in the UK will lose or pay more in the future they forget we trade many goods with the EU that if no deal is reached will impact various EU member states. It's become default with some to talk about the UK as a nation that does nothing and was only able to keep going because of our membership of the EU and their generosity hard to believe the UK was the second net contributor to the EU.

There are many models that have been prepared and more that will be prepared and not all are negative but no doubt the focus will be on the one's that are negative as that suits the tired old tactic of scare and exaggerate that's been the remain sides only tactic thus far. I've still not seen an explanation for how the UK being able to trade with the rest of the world on our terms will be less economically beneficial then continuing to mainly trade with twenty seven nations the terms not ours to control. This isn't and never has been a one side is completely correct and the other completely wrong issue for the UK and lets hope that better people then any of us on this forum deal with things better.

This debate on this and many other forums is now totally pointless as it's mainly the die hards from both sides waging the same tired arguments and propaganda and being honest both sides have enough with their heads up their backsides that there is no new ground to be covered. I'm going to now do the only beneficial thing anyone can do and leave the debate as I'm not convinced by the constant barrage of negativity that now exists on both sides and again being honest lifes too damn short to keep taking part in a daily bout of depression so have at it.