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Originally Posted by martyh
They are busy waiting for us to get our act together enough to give them a clue of what we want .They can't do a damn thing until they know
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Well that's a bit of a nonsense thing to say .We where voting to either stay in Europe or leave Europe ,there was never an option to change Europe to our way of liking ,the only thing we can change is our membership
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Post 1: No, it's chicken and egg. You may hold that view, but you need to realise that the EU will not allow any informal discussions prior to our triggering Article 50. That makes our preparations for the talks proper more difficult and clearly that means it will take more time.
Post 2: How is it nonsense? If we leave, there is a little question of how we can stay within the common market without the free movement of people. Given the EU's intransigence on this point, we are left with little choice other than to go for a hard Brexit if we are to give people what they want.
You know as well as I do that many people don't like the way Europe is run, and that's why David Cameron tried to negotiate something better, but he failed. That is one of the main reasons why he lost the referendum. Had it gone in his favour by 52% to 48%, the issue of the kind of Europe we want would still be there and people would still be pushing for change. However, I can imagine what the attitude of the remainers would have been to that discontent!
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
A bizarre comment. A vote to remain was for the status quo, it wasn't to join the Eurozone or to alter our relationship with Europe in any way.
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In which case, as we voted to leave, why are the remainers not accepting that straight forward vote.
There are 'buts' with both options.