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Originally Posted by Mick
I also found it staggering how suddenly now that Trump wins the Electoral College Vote, but not the popular vote, there is something suddenly wrong with the whole democratic process in the US. Seen lots and and lots of typical BS regarding this, being spouted on Facebook by those in America who voted for Hillary.
I doubt they would have said the same thing if Hillary won via ECV and Donald won the popular vote.
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The Electoral College/Popular Vote question isn't new. Many do not like the Electoral college not only because of situations like this but also because it renders so many votes worthless. 40 out of 50 states go offline from the Presidential campaign because they're not contested. It's the safe seat argument on steroids.
The counter-argument you can make to your friends on Facebook is this would be a very different election if it was decided on Popular vote. The campaigns would be different, the messages different and the voters' behaviour would be different.
As for the hypocrisy angle. Yes I imagine they wouldn't be saying it, they would be saying what I just said above. However Clinton didn't mention the popular vote in her concession speech nor Obama in his speech. Given Trump spent half the election saying it was rigged I can't imagine him being quiet had he lost the election but won the popular vote.
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Originally Posted by Osem
Likewise, despite our country having quite clearly become a truly hateful and xenophobic place to be, I'm still awaiting the mass exodus of petrified EU migrants and self righteous attention seeking hypocrites to start in the UK. Odd that eh?  |
I think the best people to judge how migrants feel in the UK are the migrants themselves. We're not really the best judges of that. Leaving is a big step to take and people will endure a lot to avoid leaving their homes, jobs and lives as they know it. The fact they haven't left doesn't mean they're not concerned.