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Ignitionnet · 14-10-2016, 09:38

I think I've already posted multiple times that they can't give us any significant bespoke concessions as it'd lead to the EU falling apart. This position should be absolutely no surprise to anyone. If they bend the rules for us when we're leaving others will join us.

Were we staying in then we would have a right to complain if they aren't listening to us, but right now we have no right to expect them to make any kind of concessions to us.

On the positive side we at least can speculate now on the form the negotiations will take. David Davis and the rest talking to a brick wall with the EU's four freedoms on it.

Either way it's pretty arrogant to claim the EU-27 should care about us, share with us or listen to us now, especially given the behaviour of some of our politicians. We're leaving the EU for our own self-interest, the EU has to behave in its own self-interest, which as a whole is exactly the approach Tusk is advocating.

Tusk is the one who after the referendum was saying that the EU did need to reform and that the result was a wake up call I might add. He's also Polish, so probably hasn't found the post-referendum spike of xenophobia focused heavily on Polish migrants here too amusing.

All that said it was made quite clear that we were welcome to stay if we changed our mind. I strongly suspect the EU will enact some reforms over the next couple of years, as contrary to your thoughts they have been listening even if absurdly slow moving about it, in the hope that those concessions, demographic changes, and the impacts of Brexit as they start to bite within the UK will change our minds along with keeping the more restive members of the group happy.

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Ignitionnet Inactive Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Age: 47 Posts: 13,995	Re: Post-Brexit Thread I think I've already posted multiple times that they can't give us any significant bespoke concessions as it'd lead to the EU falling apart. This position should be absolutely no surprise to anyone. If they bend the rules for us when we're leaving others will join us. Were we staying in then we would have a right to complain if they aren't listening to us, but right now we have no right to expect them to make any kind of concessions to us. On the positive side we at least can speculate now on the form the negotiations will take. David Davis and the rest talking to a brick wall with the EU's four freedoms on it. Either way it's pretty arrogant to claim the EU-27 should care about us, share with us or listen to us now, especially given the behaviour of some of our politicians. We're leaving the EU for our own self-interest, the EU has to behave in its own self-interest, which as a whole is exactly the approach Tusk is advocating. Tusk is the one who after the referendum was saying that the EU did need to reform and that the result was a wake up call I might add. He's also Polish, so probably hasn't found the post-referendum spike of xenophobia focused heavily on Polish migrants here too amusing. All that said it was made quite clear that we were welcome to stay if we changed our mind. I strongly suspect the EU will enact some reforms over the next couple of years, as contrary to your thoughts they have been listening even if absurdly slow moving about it, in the hope that those concessions, demographic changes, and the impacts of Brexit as they start to bite within the UK will change our minds along with keeping the more restive members of the group happy.