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many people took that position after Obama won, and as I recall Obama was very very slow to produce evidence. It was a stupid position to take, but he wasn't a politician at the time nor was he running for president, he has since retracted the allegation.
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He retracted it last week. Also why should Obama provide his birth certificate? He was a citizen of the United States. It is not normal for Presidential candidates to release their birth certificate or for any citizen to be required to do so to prove their nationality.
We all know why a few people requested it of Obama and not of any other candidate.
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I don't know if it was 'suspected' terrorists but his point was that terrorists don't care about themselves, but if they thought their actions might have repercussions upon their family they may think twice about it. Also in many cases the families of terrorists know or suspect that something may be going on but do nothing. A fair point, poorly executed. But when it comes to terrorism nothing should be off the table.
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Yes it should. Killing their families is off the table to any decent human being. If you kill the wives/children/brothers/sisters of people because they're terrorists then you are a common murderer and nothing more.
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She's not left of Obama. You get 4 more years of Obama with Clinton. Which is not very exciting. Obama has been a very mediocre president. He's done very little to better the lives of African Americans.
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The Democratic platform, of which she is the lead campaigner as the leader of the party, is to the left of Obama. It's been heavily influenced by Sanders as part of the Democratic convention.
We'll see in history where Obama will come out. I don't think he'll go done as mediocre though. Looking back I suspect this handling of the 2008 crash will go down well. The United States recovered far quicker than most other economies after the crash and the stimulus, opposed by a minority Republicans at the time, was a success. I don't believe he has been at the wheel for a recession either (other than 2008 obviously). The medical system took a step forward in having pre-existing conditions covered and younger people covered throughout their University years on their parents coverage. Other than that there are two appointments to the Supreme Court, America has massively increased the amount of their energy supplies that originate within the United States, he repealed 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'. Really his domestic record is likely to go down very well.
His foreign record isn't so great. Good: Cuba, Iran and Osama and maybe moving towards Asia more. Bad: Syria. Syria will probably go down as his biggest failing.
I think he'll go down as one of the 'good' Presidents but these things always depend on history. How Obamacare fares will be a key issue. Either way though being the first black President, winning two-terms, and killing Osama is likely to always place him in the ones people talk about.
There is a good article from many months ago actually:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...vements-213487