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Originally Posted by Osem
Who's suggesting that solving uncontrolled migration is a cure all? Getting control of migration isn't an excuse for not tackling all our other ills and, as I've stated, would at least make sure we are getting people we need as opposed to people we don't. Mass migration on the scale of the last 15 years is unsustainable and undoubtedly creating additional problems we don't need and aren't able to cope with.
All of these things have a geographical element clearly which is why I had to laugh at previous correspondence with the late Charles Kennedy whose constituency wasn't exactly overwhelmed with Scots let alone migrants...
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I don't think I implied that others were suggesting uncontrolled migration is a cure all, sorry if I did, but they were none the less overstating the impact. From the evidence we have it would seem the negative effect is negligible if it exists at all. That the time we spend on here debating immigration isn't relative to the problems it causes.
If we were given a choice between halving the rate of diabetes or of immigration then the former would have far larger an impact, or at least that's what those Full Fact links suggest. I know it's rather counter-intuitive to think that large amounts of immigration doesn't drastically impact the NHS but it goes back to the initial point I made in that you have to consider the demographics involved and look at what is actually causing pressure on the NHS.
Slightly off-topic but I remember after Brexit there was a news channel talking to people on the street and there was one young guy who was very happy. He seemed nice, not motivated by racism or fear, and was just happy that now the factories would reopen and he could get a better job (or a job at all). But that probably isn't going to happen because globalisation and free trade would have been a far bigger factor in the closure of those factories than cheap EU Labour.
Even if we're not saying that limiting migration is a cure all I think we're going to see how little a dent it's going to make in any of our problems. Old Age and obesity will continue to be the challenge for the NHS, China and others will be the biggest challenge for UK manual Labour and the economy will dominate even those in impacting us all.
The main benefit to controlling migration is probably better managing social cohesion rather than the NHS, wages or jobs.
Just my reading of the situation anyway.
Obviously my weaknesses here are that I tend to trust statistics over anecdotal evidence which blinds you to the personal impact lost amongst the data and that I live in London which is a world away from many other parts of Britain. We could also get into that as well because London vs Britain is another part of the story but this post is already too long.....