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Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute
where did I say I knew about illegal immigration??? They produced stats on who has come here and my entire point is if they pay in like anyone else they have as much right to use the facilities. Believe it or not the vast majority will only use when necessary and when it comes to abusing the system, start looking closer to home on a Friday night when it's full of self inflicted injuries drink related. People honestly need to look beyond migrants as the problem here , you probably find that more migrants (including those coming for EU) are working in the NHS than use it!
And my first job in life was working in the NHS as a clinical support assistant (or cleaner/food prep as its better known as) so I saw who was using it and who workiws there on a daily basis
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You didn't specify anything in your post merely migrants, hence my questioning the rather vague assumptions you're making, including the 99% claim which is utter tosh.
What homemade drunken louts choose to do to subject the NHS to every weekend is indeed a big problem but is it a problem we need added to by the similarly inebriated migrant element when our NHS and other services are already stretched? Your argument seems to be that because we have plenty of our very own home produced wastes of space, that somehow makes it OK for less than honest, diligent, net contributing, inherently healthy migrants to be able to come here and do likewise. I disagree. I believe we need to tackle the problems we have in our own society without opening the door to yet more abuse from whatever proportion it is of the entire migrant load the UK is groaning under which does very significantly add to our already serious problems and actually contributes very little.
Incidentally, how much tax and NI does a migrant on anywhere near the minimum wage pay do you reckon and how much NHS medical, dental care, free contraception etc. etc. etc. does that buy in your world? If legally here they have a right to these things but is it a right which we can continue to afford? How much is the net contribution of a migrant on low wages who's entitled to child benefit, housing benefit and tax credits? About the same as an indigenous person in the same situation I'd wager but do you call them a net benefit to UK PLC too or is it just migrants who're that?
So you worked in the NHS for a while and that makes you an expert on who's doing what and who isn't. Who's nice and who isn't? Who is entitled and who isn't? I'd wager I have a great deal more personal experience than you of the NHS and know full well it employs a great many migrants some of whom will be better than others in just the same was applies to the indigenous element. I'm not suggesting that all of these people aren't necessary or should be deported, I'm arguing we need to control the amount and quality of the people we take from around the globe and ought also to be paying some attention to the adverse effects hoovering up nurses etc. from poorer nations has in those countries. The migrants who come here to work and build new lives here will themselves one day get old and require the sort of care and resources we're being told we need to import vast numbers of people to cope with. Bit of a problem in the long term that don't you think or is the 'solution' to the UK's difficult situation exponential population growth? The UK's official population growth over the last decade or so has been staggering and there are plenty more people here illegally who are either supporting themselves without paying any tax/NI, existing on charity, stealing or living on thin air. Either way I don't reckon they're a net benefit to our society or economy and I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that the UK can sustain population growth of 1,000,000 (officially) people every three years.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/imm...and-nhs-staff/
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EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. Restrictions on non-EU immigrants have affected NHS recruitment, suggesting that the same could happen if there were limits on EU immigration. However, these restrictions did not trigger a process of existing healthcare workers fleeing the UK
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https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/
So with over 150,000 more EU migrants alone coming to Britain than leave every year and a total population of over 3,000,000 migrants who're citizens of another EU country, you assert that more of them work in the NHS than use it? Really?...
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55,000 out of the 1.2 million staff in the English NHS are citizens of other EU countries, according to the English Health Service’s Electronic Staff Record. This includes doctors; nurses; other professionals like paramedics and pharmacists; support workers providing care; and administrative staff.
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