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Originally Posted by Big Brian
Is there not a way freedom of movement could be slowed while negotiations take place? We're leaving anyway and I am sure the EU won't want to swamp us with migrants.
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No, and I doubt the EU cares. It's not their problem unless we through negotiations make it their problem in which case we leave ourselves open to reciprocal action.
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Originally Posted by Big Brian
Why can't they just accept the democratic will of the people and get on with it?
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It's not that simple. We can just accept it, get on with it, and cut off our nose to spite our face.
We absolutely need to get this right, else we risk affecting so many things both within and without Europe.
As far as democracy goes, that's an entirely different barrel of monkeys. When I see people protesting en masse for proportional representation and an elected second house then I'll take seriously people's complaints about democracy.
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Originally Posted by martyh
I don't know but it certainly seems ridiculous to enforce rules that no longer apply .
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The trouble is they apply until the end of the two years. I agree it seems ridiculous but it's what the UK agreed to when Gordon Brown, on the quiet, signed the Lisbon Treaty
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Originally Posted by Big Brian
But won't that just move the immigration problem from one area to another?
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Immigration isn't necessarily a problem. We have a laundry list of things we could and should do better. It's going to be falling back naturally anyway as our economy is no longer as exceptional as it was.
We need to get our house in order here. We do that we can manage immigration way, way better. We needed it desperately in the 2000s but some of it was the wrong kind, although on hindsight realistically we couldn't expect it all to be exactly what we wanted.
For the most part the migration from the EU has been positive, although Romania and Bulgaria not so positive. Among the worst if not the worst immigration has been from elsewhere, with bits of Africa, Bangladesh and Pakistan standing out.
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This article kinda puts forward the difficulties ahead. For right now it really is that black and white.
This is a good article too.
I don't envy her the fine line she has to tread and am pretty sure that she chose some of her cabinet with the intention of their treading that fine line instead of her.
Seems reasonable based on her performances in PMQs and the reshuffle that she's nothing if not ruthless.