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JoelTheSuperior · 19-07-2016, 09:42

I think it's worth mentioning that even outside of the EU there's a good chance we'll still have to retain freedom of movement if we want a decent trade deal with the EEA. Hell, there's talk of a new agreement even possibly requiring joining the Schengen (which I can understand people have concerns about, especially since 'islands are different').

The potential of trade deals with the USA, Canada, Australia do seem promising but keep in mind that it's very unlikely that they would work in our favour. The fact is that we can't start negotiations (though we can have informal talks) until we have officially left the EU, and the UK, being in a vulnerable position post-Brexit, is almost certainly going to be offered the short end of the stick.

It's also worth considering that these deals could take a long time to hammer out, during which time we would have to pay tariffs on trade with these countries, though I suspect less time than some have made out. Whilst it's true that such deals have taken 7 to 10 years for other countries to negotiate, coming out of the EU, assuming we keep the majority of EU legislation we should be *mostly* compatible with similar agreements to what we already have via the EU.

If you were concerned about TTIP especially this should concern you, as the US are likely to offer our government something very similar or potentially even more draconian, especially since the Conservatives apparently had no issue with it when the EU were considering it, despite the objections of other EU member states.

Even so, the simple fact is that our trade with these countries does not make up anywhere near what our trade with the EU has - it's a tiny fraction by comparison and it's unlikely that it could ever replace it simply due to the distances and costs involved.

Some people on other forums have brought up the possibility of freedom of movement within the commonwealth (so say, with the UK, Canada and Australia) and I genuinely could see this being very appealing to the British public, especially as I imagine British people feel more of a connection with people from these countries than they do with say, Europe. Unfortunately I do think it's unlikely that such a deal could happen, especially since it'd probably cause a lot of younger and more qualified Brits to jump ship.

Personally, this has given me a nice kick to get off my arse and start considering what my other options elsewhere in the world may be.

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JoelTheSuperior Inactive Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 17	Re: Post-Brexit Thread I think it's worth mentioning that even outside of the EU there's a good chance we'll still have to retain freedom of movement if we want a decent trade deal with the EEA. Hell, there's talk of a new agreement even possibly requiring joining the Schengen (which I can understand people have concerns about, especially since 'islands are different'). The potential of trade deals with the USA, Canada, Australia do seem promising but keep in mind that it's very unlikely that they would work in our favour. The fact is that we can't start negotiations (though we can have informal talks) until we have officially left the EU, and the UK, being in a vulnerable position post-Brexit, is almost certainly going to be offered the short end of the stick. It's also worth considering that these deals could take a long time to hammer out, during which time we would have to pay tariffs on trade with these countries, though I suspect less time than some have made out. Whilst it's true that such deals have taken 7 to 10 years for other countries to negotiate, coming out of the EU, assuming we keep the majority of EU legislation we should be mostly compatible with similar agreements to what we already have via the EU. If you were concerned about TTIP especially this should concern you, as the US are likely to offer our government something very similar or potentially even more draconian, especially since the Conservatives apparently had no issue with it when the EU were considering it, despite the objections of other EU member states. Even so, the simple fact is that our trade with these countries does not make up anywhere near what our trade with the EU has - it's a tiny fraction by comparison and it's unlikely that it could ever replace it simply due to the distances and costs involved. Some people on other forums have brought up the possibility of freedom of movement within the commonwealth (so say, with the UK, Canada and Australia) and I genuinely could see this being very appealing to the British public, especially as I imagine British people feel more of a connection with people from these countries than they do with say, Europe. Unfortunately I do think it's unlikely that such a deal could happen, especially since it'd probably cause a lot of younger and more qualified Brits to jump ship. Personally, this has given me a nice kick to get off my arse and start considering what my other options elsewhere in the world may be.