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Originally Posted by papa smurf
yes it has. scaremongering, threats of war,emergency punishment budget ,wages going down ,no more trade ,tax hike ,fuel hike and all this if we don't do as dave and gideon tell us to  |
Lost count of the number of times Cameron referred to damaging/tanking our economy, hurting family finances etc. this morning on Radio 4 with John Humphrys. No matter what the question asked the same old script was repeated ad nauseam. Pretty pathetic scare tactics really. If they thought they could get away with saying the moon will suddenly collide with Earth as a result of Brexit they would do.
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Part of the Maastricht Treaty was that we didn't sign up for the Working Time Directives. Look how that turned out, we had it imposed on us by the backdoor using Health and Safety directives instead.
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Yet there are still those who believe all the clap trap about vetos, special treatment blah blah blah. If we stay in it's as certain the night follows day that whatever special status we have will be gradually eroded. Some people still don't get that the EU has always been heading in one direction and there's nothing we can do to stop it - the only thing we can do to avoid that is get out, there is no compromise. We either take this opportunity or resign ourselves to the slippery slope towards a single European state/single currency and rule by the Eurocrats in Brussels. Why anyone would want that I have no idea because at least we have the ability to get shot of our Govt. every few years. Try getting rid of those running the show in the EU...
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
It's the only reason we seem to get "concessions" "vetos"and "red lines" is when the EU meisters know they can force whatever it is on us another way. Just look how we had to cough up a bailout for Greece despite not being in the Euro.
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Yes, it's not like they don't have any previous is it. The tough talk and so called 'concessions' invariably don't last long. How much more evidence do some people need in order to see these people for what they are?
Voting to erode the value/power of your vote is quite the most bizarre thing I can think of yet plenty of people are going to do just that.
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Originally Posted by jamiefrost
None of those things have happened,
if the government were going to force us into a single currency they have had plenty of opportunities so why haven't they done so before what's changed that they are suddenly going to do so.
Closer political ties and cooperation does not make a super state.
Distrust in the government and beleiving that they are going to act against the will of the people will not change with leaving the EU.
Whats to stop the government signing away our rights to border control I exchange for access to the single market if we did leave if they are so dishonest.
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You cleverly omitted the word EVER.
The EU is committed to EVER closer union - it's their raison d'etre and I'm sorry but that does mean a super state - a single European state. Michael Heseltine confirmed it as recently as yesterday and even the EU doesn't seek to hide it. If you still don't believe that's not the plan then why has Cameron been telling us all he's negotiated our opt out from it?
No there's nothing to stop our govt. doing anything if they lie well enough and given the weasel words and lies we've been exposed to I wouldn't rule it out. At least however by not being part of the Brussels project we can remove our govt. when election time comes. Try getting 27 other nations (or even a majority thereof) to agree to doing something we want but they don't. The EU is set up in such a way that getting anything done takes years because, surprise, surprise, different nations have competing interests and very different views as to what's right for them. All that does is facilitate the status quo, it certainly does not facilitate reform or even a rapid response to a major migration crisis. Just look at how badly the EU has handled that! We've been trying to reform the EU for 40 years and look where that's got us...