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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
There is no doubt there are aspects of Islam that do not fit in uk society and don't belong either but how do we resolve the issue any criticism of Islam except the extremist element is quickly shut down by the usual retorts of racism or religious freedom.
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Two sets of people make the criticism though. People like yourself that can make a comment without suggesting all Muslims are terrorists but can point out that Islamic extremism is a serious issue. Then there's those chavvy types that go on a booze fueled rally chanting racial abuse and labelling all Muslims as terrorists.
The latter I've spoke about in other threads regarding an incident in which a group of Racist chavs smashed a coop window in the North East because 'Muslims are terrorist'
In reality they're just the new breed of football hooligan that get their fix from this. It then reflects badly on people led to believe they could make their voice heard by joining such a group, the BNP have had that problem since its inception.
I grew up with one of them, the most you can get out of him is a bunch of Racist videos on Facebook and "its a good laugh"
With all that in mind you still get people that can provide a good argument without resorting to stereotyping but I'm one of those that simply steps back from the debate incase I'm thought of as one of these real life trolls. I'm sure many others feel the same.
Instead of some form of debates we're getting EDL marches and counter marches which just leads to two groups of people hurling abuse at each other and making us all look daft. Which is funny because it brings to life chavvy Muslims. Literally identical to the yobs on the other side but a different religion. Absolute idiots.
The scenes of Dover and Birmingham are examples. The above is a very good reason why you're argument and anyone else's can be shut down with the racism card. The inability of some to behave themselves then gets ourselves stereotyped by those minorities that are similar to our yobs...
Luckily I can go see Mr Rai in his shop and buy whatever I need because he's a genuinely nice guy and doesn't believe I'm a racist chav, nor do I believe he's a Jihadi. Its relationships like this that are needed to create a worthy debate. Freedom of speech is great but there's just some people that shouldn't have it, white, Muslim, christian, black, whatever religion or ethnicity they are.