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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
By the time the 23rd gets here I doubt any section of our society will not have had some threat implied it's **** politics from lazy and inept politicians and I think it has the opposite effect that they hope for. Most of the people I know have not reacted well to remains negative campaigning and it's pushed people more towards leave, out of my social circle of 40 now 27 of us are definite leave, 4 undecided and 9 still for remain but they are less enthusiastic then they were and if remain don't adopt a more positive stance I think 2 of them will swap over just because they loathe being told what to do.
Everyone says this but the reason politicians use negative campaigning is because it works. People may resent negative campaigning but they don't tend to decide important votes based on protest. Realistically people will believe what they want to believe anyway, you say it's pushed people towards Leave but Leave have had negative campaigning too. Turkey joining the EU being the biggest one. Ian Duncan Smith said your pensions would be cut weeks ago: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/p...ion-funds.html and then there was the 'rape attacks' thing from Farage.

The difference, Vote Leave campaigners would say, is that these are true whereas Remain is false. That isn't then an objection to a negative campaign but one that isn't telling the truth. However Remain would say the same of Leave. That Turkey isn't about the join the EU, that the EU isn't going to take your pension and that we do still control our borders.

If the anti-establishment mood is directed at Remain now then wait until Leave wins. If leaving doesn't fulfil the economic boost they say will come, if wages for the working class don't rise, if the all the extra money for the NHS doesn't materialise or worse there is actually a recession then the reaction will be toxic.

It may be more positive to promise people the earth but that doesn't mean it will come true. Salmond and company promised a Scotland where education would be free, pensions would rise, the NHS would get more money and inequality would be reduced. One year later it turned out the scaremongers were right when the oil priced tanked. Scotland would have been in a financial crisis and certainly would not have been able to afford the utopian vision promised to them by the 'positive' Yes campaign.

People should vote on what they think is best not how much they like the sound of what is being promised.
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