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Old 09-06-2016, 21:14   #2747
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
Russia made it clear over twenty years ago Damien when communism fell for the west not to expand to it's border's and that it wanted a buffer between them and NATO. Both NATO and the EU agreed at the time but have chosen to ignore it and advance ever eastward what did they expect it was a stupid move on both parties and the people suffering for it are ukrainians. Like it or not both NATO and the EU are responsible for heightening tensions in that area and if Russia was intending to be more aggressive well good job western alliances you really outflanked them.

The EU doesn't respect independent sovereign nations it views them as an impediment to the creation of the federal superstate and that's not opinion it's been said many different times by many EU representatives not quite as bluntly as I put it but the intention is the same. I have no particular love for Russia and certainly not for Putin but if we are so damn stupid to hand Russia excuses then I have to question those making decisions in the EU and NATO as they clearly are not capable.
How can you claim that the EU doesn't respect sovereign nations in the same two paragraphs as you completely ignore Ukraine's wishes in favour of Russia? It should be up to the people of Ukraine what they want no? It may not be smart geopolitically granted but the fault of that is Russian aggression.

It was Russia who infringed on the sovereignty of Ukraine, not the EU.

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Whose winning the debate? Brexiters on Twitter are saying it's Brexit but Remainers are saying it's Remain. I am really confused.
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