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Old 31-05-2016, 11:39   #2350
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet View Post
Going to this later to see what those guys have to say.

Maybe I'll ask a question about immigration and have Pat Glass call me racist

This is an interesting section of a comment from Damien's link:



Could be right. From a purely selfish standpoint the personal case is easier to make for remain.

Another reason why, for all the rhetoric, we will probably vote to remain.

Then continue complaining while politicians act all shocked that nothing has changed for the better and, if anything, we're getting less out of the EU while putting more in.

While we're complaining about getting shafted harder by an ever-enlarging EU other parts of the EU will be complaining that we're holding up their attempts to further integrate, which we inevitably will.

The Liberal Democrats will busily try getting us to integrate more into the EU for, well, whatever reason they support the EU to the extent they do. Their positions on the EU, immigration, etc, make perilously little sense but they are the most determined of the EU-philes.

Jeremy Corbyn will continue his absurdly obvious game of offering luke-warm support while being vehemently against in private, presumably until being replaced by a more 'mainstream' colleague who is a less liberal version of a Liberal Democrat and adores the EU.

David Cameron whenever he leaves office will take either the position in the EU or the ones for 'big business' in the private sector that his work during this referendum has earned him. If the private sector he will be waiting on his colleagues to join him when their asset stripping of the state is complete and it's time for them to benefit personally through directorships, rather than just indirectly through family, business acquaintances, donations, etc.

Finally, at some point, 'I told you so' will set in. Perhaps about the time Germany complete the destruction of the Greek economy after their election in 2018.
There was a Vote Leave rally in Durham on Sunday but couldn't get there what a bummer.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
All we are hearing is economic this and economic that and yes it's a relevant factor but what price sovereignty, independence and self determination you won't hear remain talking in those terms as they know damn well what the main plan for the future is. Both sides are indulging in negative campaigning and it is doing nothing but driving people away from the whole thing and this is not even touching the utter mess we are going to have domestically after the 23rd. Conservative party is imploding on this issue and how the hell they will be able to run the nations affairs with any real authority I don't know.

When all three main parties are on the remain side there shouldn't have been the need for what has happened but we now have one hell of a domestic political mess that not even a general election could resolve as right now none of the main three are credible or worth the ink on a vote. Personally I'll take the short term economic hit that comes from brexit in order for us to become a truly independent, sovereign nation able to forge it's own relationships and in control of it's own affairs which will not happen if we vote to stay in. Down that path lies more erosion of sovereignty and our gradual integration into some hideous federal European dream with no realistic long-term future.

I've watched a few question times now and neither side has shifted me one inch apart from deepening my dislike and contempt of paddy ashdown with his ridiculous rhetoric and if it is more then rhetoric then clearly we people in the UK are not what he wants to be around so he should sling his hook and go live his dream in Brussels.
They know this will win them the vote. They don't care about anything else.

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Originally Posted by Osem View Post
It's no wonder people like Ashdown love the EU, it's bloated bureaucracy is full of similarly underwhelming, self serving, blinkered politicians who rather like being accountable to nobody while enjoying all the perks of the privileged existence whilst Europe fails around them.
Nero fiddling while Rome burns?
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