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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
It gets more stupid every day. BSE are getting desperate.
Anyhow I would have thought the NHS was in much greater danger with EU meddling from Brussels and the desire for uniformity of goods and services across the whole EU than being run, regulated and financed by our own government.
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I really fear for the NSH if we remain in the EU. They have overspent to the tune of over £2.5 billion this year. This, they say is due mainly to hiring Agency Staff. However, the main reason is immigration. Even if it's 3 million by 2030 the NHS will be put under severe strain, more than it is now. Let's get out of the EU and train our own to do these jobs in the NHS be they foreigners living here after we leave or home grown Brits. Surely, with the money we'll save we will be able to train people in our own country?
IMHO I think the Immigration/NHS issues should be more than enough to swing a leave vote.
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Boris Johnson is a very astute individual and far from the buffoon he gives the image of at times which makes me curious what he is up to because his latest speech was bad but he's just another of the current crop of politicians not fit for purpose. I don't think things have ever been as bad politically as they are right now the whole class is an utter shambles and disgrace to the UK. This referendum is about a single and simple issue (in terms of the question) of do we stay or leave the EU but has been turned into a farce by both sides and all it's accomplished is to muddy the waters for those who wanted information to help them make a choice.
Thankfully my vote was decided sometime ago which is just as well because neither camp has given me reason to choose them although remain getting every tom, dick and harry involved with scare tactics and threats would have pushed me to the leave side more because I'm stubborn and don't like bullies or threats and instinctively go the opposite way.
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Is your vote decided on issues regarding the EU or is it that you are just Pro or Anti EU? I've always been against being part of Europe and I still have my reasons from 1975 to back me up as well as more recent things like:
The NHS:
I believe we should be training people from this country to do the jobs in the NHS.
Jobs:
If we kerb immigration and don't have all these people coming in from the EU then surely it stands to reason that there will be more jobs for those already living in Britain? I don't know the exact figures of overseas or EU Citizens brought in to work here because we don't have the skills but surely we can train our own Citizens to do these jobs? Whatever these figures are they relate to that many jobs for those already living here.
The Economy:
The initial money we save from not being in the EU will set us up to be able to begin training our own people as well as shoring up the NHS. Of course, I realise that this money we save initially will dwindle as trade agreements with EU countries are formed and when Leave say we'll save X amount of money being out of the EU they mean initially, not every week, month or year. It's a fantastic amount of money and could put Britain back on our feet. If Firms leave it's no great loss. Other jobs will be created with new trade agreements with the EU and other countries we'll be free to trade with thus encouraging new and more Firms into the UK.
Sovereignty:
Leaving the EU will free us up to have our own laws instead of them being forced on us by Brussels. I don't say they are all bad but we would be able to alter them to suit the needs of the UK, not the EU.
Our Parliament will be making the laws that Govern the country and not the EU.
We would not need to be worried about breaking EU law in most cases. The Grocer who was taken to court for displaying fruit and veg in imperial instead of metric weights for example would never have happened and would not happen again. This is what we, the Leave Camp mean by stupid laws. That chap is now deceased and was from my area but he should never have been taken to court over that.
Our Parliament would make the laws on immigration and not the EU. We would have the say who can and can't enter Britain.
Oh there is lots more.