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11-05-2016, 06:37

Personally I loathe IDS and the leave campaign need someone better to present their case many haven't and won't forgive him for what he did while DWP minister. At this point no one on either side should look to the media for reliable information which says it all about the state of national media in the UK. As I've said I'm voting to leave mainly for my kids, a UK totally free to make it's own trade deals, make and implement it's own laws and handle it's own foreign affairs not follow what has already been and what looks set to get worse Eastern expansion by the EU.

Leaving I believe will make the UK a more global outward looking nation not a xenophobic septic little isle as some believe. British people are basically fair and tolerant people with a good sense of justice and fairness and despite the EU those values are still present and strong. I also don't believe any of us truly know the future plans of the EU as they will not be clear or honest about them and leaks are only giving us a glance and that's enough to have me very worried.

Will trade be affected if we leave undoubtedly so, some of our so called European partners will make damn sure of that and for once have been open about it. Will we be at a disadvantage in dealing with the USA no I don't think we will Obama is an outgoing president and his popularity is falling with many Americans unhappy with his approach to the UK amongst many other things. Whoever replaces him I think will be more then happy to have a better relationship with the UK then during Obama's tenure.

For me though whatever consequences there may be with EU trade the rest of the world will be a lot easier to deal with then they currently are and within a short time I believe the UK can forge better and more long lasting trade relations to replace any EU deals we lose. Let's also not forget the UK is not the only nation getting tired of the EU, citizens in many of the western European nations are not happy or satisfied with the current EU situation and if the UK votes out it won't be the last vote on it other nations principally the French and Germans are likely to have to give their citizens a choice.

The unknown is always a bit scary and thats what the in campaign is playing on with ever greater ramping up of dire predictions if we vote out. The UK has, is and will in future be a strong nation we thrived before the EU we can do so again after the EU. I'd rather take our chances on our own then be swallowed up into some mega European state doomed to failure likely with a lot of bloodshed as it dies.

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RizzyKing Guest Posts: n/a	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU Personally I loathe IDS and the leave campaign need someone better to present their case many haven't and won't forgive him for what he did while DWP minister. At this point no one on either side should look to the media for reliable information which says it all about the state of national media in the UK. As I've said I'm voting to leave mainly for my kids, a UK totally free to make it's own trade deals, make and implement it's own laws and handle it's own foreign affairs not follow what has already been and what looks set to get worse Eastern expansion by the EU. Leaving I believe will make the UK a more global outward looking nation not a xenophobic septic little isle as some believe. British people are basically fair and tolerant people with a good sense of justice and fairness and despite the EU those values are still present and strong. I also don't believe any of us truly know the future plans of the EU as they will not be clear or honest about them and leaks are only giving us a glance and that's enough to have me very worried. Will trade be affected if we leave undoubtedly so, some of our so called European partners will make damn sure of that and for once have been open about it. Will we be at a disadvantage in dealing with the USA no I don't think we will Obama is an outgoing president and his popularity is falling with many Americans unhappy with his approach to the UK amongst many other things. Whoever replaces him I think will be more then happy to have a better relationship with the UK then during Obama's tenure. For me though whatever consequences there may be with EU trade the rest of the world will be a lot easier to deal with then they currently are and within a short time I believe the UK can forge better and more long lasting trade relations to replace any EU deals we lose. Let's also not forget the UK is not the only nation getting tired of the EU, citizens in many of the western European nations are not happy or satisfied with the current EU situation and if the UK votes out it won't be the last vote on it other nations principally the French and Germans are likely to have to give their citizens a choice. The unknown is always a bit scary and thats what the in campaign is playing on with ever greater ramping up of dire predictions if we vote out. The UK has, is and will in future be a strong nation we thrived before the EU we can do so again after the EU. I'd rather take our chances on our own then be swallowed up into some mega European state doomed to failure likely with a lot of bloodshed as it dies.