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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
There would've had to have been considering I remember hearing a lot of them would have had pay cuts of up to 40% back then, that was when hunt was still saying they were getting a rise and yet this is the man whose word you still want to take as gospel
I was actually replying to ramie but seeing as you're saying so what I actually think we should be keeping our doctors, we give them subsidised education on the understanding that they work for the nhs for a while and if they're not prepared to do that they should be asked to pay back some of the cash, not that hunt has bothered to deal with that issue instead he seems to want to make the exodus worse, what was it the shadow health secretary called him the greatest recruiting sargent Australian medicine ever had
Or the ones that work only unsocial hours because of the job requirements
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Well the junior doctors are going on about unsafe hours and the dangers of being tired, when in TRUTH their hours are being reduced and working patterns that have been AGREED with the BMA. And the evidence that they will all get 40% pay cuts is...................nowhere to be found. They would be constantly screaming it out if there was any evidence. Let's suppose that if you look at a particular OCCASIONAL shift pattern of full weekend working. That PEAK earning week might go down, but with the 13.5% increase for all the other days, the average won't change. Apparently the BMA only want a basic increase of 4-7% and not the 13.5% offered. Sounds like the BMA ALSO agreed to whatever pay cuts there turns out to be. The NHS has the doctors working hours data and can carry out "what if" scenarios and other modelling to check the impact. They are better placed to identify the true level of impact. The November offer has "time off in lieu for additional work", whereas the current offer pays the appropriate rate until the hours limits are hit, and then it is time and a half.
Channel 4 factcheck from Nov 2015
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Mr Hunt says about three quarters of junior doctors will get a net raise, while about 500 (roughly one per cent) will lose out because they are currently working illegally long hours and that practice will end with the new contract.
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Any number of newspaper stories allege that Britain is haemhorraging junior doctors – who are apparently heading to Australia in droves thanks to the government’s attempt at changing working hours.
But we can’t find any database that actually proves whether doctors are actually physically leaving the UK in greater numbers than at any other time.
Similarly, claims that junior doctors are going to suffer a real-terms pay cut are hard to stand up.
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