Originally Posted by Horizon

.... you raise a interesting point. What happens to the liberate software on the v boxes? I wonder how long the Liberate contract still has to run? Will the v boxes be phased out and the current "premium" tivo boxes become the bog standard ones instead.

I have a v box and it runs faster than the tivo, mainly because its 2 week guide was striped out of it some time ago. I seem to recall VM saying a few years ago that they would download tivo software onto the standard boxes minus the recording features. I can't say I'd be thrilled about that if that's still the plan.

It's ironic that ALL Freeview boxes of today run faster than anything that VM offer. And as for Amazon Fire sticks, or Chrome, or any other USB stick, they are far, far, better than our "premium" boxes for which we pay a premium for.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

That's what I was thinking ie TiVo being the standard offering with Horizon as the premium service.

I don't know if V boxes will get TiVo software or not, but the then CEO did say that it was an option some years ago.

My old V+ box was stripped of some services over the years, I had no idea that this had also been done to the V boxes too.

As you say, if these boxes are struggling now, I wonder how/if they could cope with TiVo software.

It was interesting to read in the VM Ireland link that someone provided earlier that HD channels appear to be provided as standard for the channels subscribed to for the two TV packages that VM Ireland appear to offer.

I think it's now time that VM did this in the UK as I don't think that HD should be regarded as a premium service in 2016.

Even Sky are scrapping their HD charge for movies from 1/6/16.

The charge remains for sport, not sure about the position with regards to the HD variants of the basic channels.