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Originally Posted by nomadking
Although the ability for EU citizens can be difficult to cope with by itself, the bigger problem is what they are entitled to once they come over. Our rights to housing, NHS, benefits, etc were created on the basis of a known UK population level. Once you have millions more able to flood in and claim, the system doesn't work. You have the absurd situation where a Czech couple can come over with 22 of their children and grandchildren and all suddenly be eligible for housing, benefits, translators, etc. Bringing no capital with them to contribute, and all not working. When it was smaller numbers from countries like France and Germany and was more of a two way exchange of people, the system could cope. It may be an extreme example, but consider what would happen if the government of North Korea was to collapse. South Korea would be deluged with people.
Any EU directives have to be passed as UK laws, so saying that the EU was responsible for this that and the other is nonsense. The UK is able to pass most of those laws all by itself. Eg the UK started laws on paid holiday leave as far back as 1871.
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Never have so many attempts to be factual be so wrong in so many understated ways. And all in two paragraphs.
No they are not entitled to any benefits. The effect of EU immigration on the UK is small compared to non EU immigration - and in or out of the EU that will not change.
Workers rights - I think you will find UK laws on paid holidays were introduced in the 1930s and it gave the right to SEVEN paid holidays per year. This was the case until the 1970s when it was amended to EIGHT. It was only the introduction of the EU social charter in the late 1990s (opposed by the UK Government at the time as explained on previous threads) that brought it up to TWENTY and then later increased to 28 by the Labour Government in late noughties. Fact is, without the EU social chapter, the Law would never have been introduced by any of this countries Governments.
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Originally Posted by Big Brian
What I don't understand is why mortgages will go up. Surely if things are going to be as gloomy as the Remain predict, Interest Rates will remain low to sustain the economy. I also can't see how on earth the building trade will be effected by a Brexit? Talk about desperation and use of Project Fear to its max! I also detect fear in the Remain Campaign that Brexit may actually win which is why they are resorting to these tactics.
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As we we import more than we export, the
potential lack of free trade will drive up the costs of both imports and exports which in turn will drive up inflation. To control this, interests rates will need to rise which means that mortgages and other borrowing costs will increase. Bit more complex than this but that is the simplistic version!
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Originally Posted by Damien
I don't believe the mortgage one although the logic is that the price of sterling will drop: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rge-osborne-eu
Remain are going to empathise the fear angle all campaign. They want to underline that it's a risk so when people go into the booth they'll be thinking 'well, it is a risk' and hope that will sway them. Polling suggests that if Brexit is perceived to be a danger then Remain will win. They can't let any suggestion that everything will be fine cut into their campaign. |
And think there lies the crux of the out campaigns problem. They need show how things will be fine if we were to leave to convince the middle ground. I can see nothing to show that things will be fine - all I can see is a lot of upheaval and personally, I find it strange that people would be willing to take what is a pretty big risk. But please, convince me otherwise.