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ntluser · 13-04-2016, 11:55

Given that David Cameron is only giving reasons why we should remain in the EU, it does make you wonder what he is hiding from us about the advantages of leaving.

Having the ability to control the number of EU migrants is a great advantage since we cannot keep them out at the moment and the EU is happy for them to come to the UK despite the excessive demands they make on UK resources.

If we stay in we cannot avoid paying the 0.7% of GNP in Foreign Aid even if the recipients don't need it or it is wasted and people in the UK suffer through lack of money as a consequence.

As for influence, over the years we have objected to a number of EU issues but our objections have been ignored. Basically, the Europeans don't like us.

I think that David Cameron is looking at the EU through rose-tinted spectacles wanting to belong to an organisation that does not really want us as a true partner but is happy to take our nation's financial contribution.

Even if the EU remain group does win the EU referendum there is no guarantee that the agreed deal will not be negated and made worthless in the "fine detail" discussions that follow the referendum outcome. Unfortunately, by then we will be committed to staying.

I'd love people to be brave enough to vote for leaving if only to see what the EU's reaction will be to not receiving our EU contribution. I suspect that there will be an element of panic as they ponder how to fill the financial gap left by the UK brexit.

I just hope that our businesses which export to Europe have discussed with their customers what happens to prices etc if we do leave.

The feeling I get is that a lot of people feel that this is a done deal and that the remain campaign will be successful. If they do win we will have thrown away our sovreignty and independence as the EU does not respect out views anyway.

I suspect that the EU has conned Cameron into believing he has a better deal but that the truth will come out once the British people have voted. The sad truth about politicians is they operate in their own interests not in the interests of the British public.

It will be interesting to see what happens both at and after the Referendum vote.

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ntluser cf.mega poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Age: 78 Services: Virgin Media XL Telephone,TV with Tivo box & Superhub3 upto 150Mb Broadband, Sky World, & Freeview+ Posts: 1,901	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU Given that David Cameron is only giving reasons why we should remain in the EU, it does make you wonder what he is hiding from us about the advantages of leaving. Having the ability to control the number of EU migrants is a great advantage since we cannot keep them out at the moment and the EU is happy for them to come to the UK despite the excessive demands they make on UK resources. If we stay in we cannot avoid paying the 0.7% of GNP in Foreign Aid even if the recipients don't need it or it is wasted and people in the UK suffer through lack of money as a consequence. As for influence, over the years we have objected to a number of EU issues but our objections have been ignored. Basically, the Europeans don't like us. I think that David Cameron is looking at the EU through rose-tinted spectacles wanting to belong to an organisation that does not really want us as a true partner but is happy to take our nation's financial contribution. Even if the EU remain group does win the EU referendum there is no guarantee that the agreed deal will not be negated and made worthless in the "fine detail" discussions that follow the referendum outcome. Unfortunately, by then we will be committed to staying. I'd love people to be brave enough to vote for leaving if only to see what the EU's reaction will be to not receiving our EU contribution. I suspect that there will be an element of panic as they ponder how to fill the financial gap left by the UK brexit. I just hope that our businesses which export to Europe have discussed with their customers what happens to prices etc if we do leave. The feeling I get is that a lot of people feel that this is a done deal and that the remain campaign will be successful. If they do win we will have thrown away our sovreignty and independence as the EU does not respect out views anyway. I suspect that the EU has conned Cameron into believing he has a better deal but that the truth will come out once the British people have voted. The sad truth about politicians is they operate in their own interests not in the interests of the British public. It will be interesting to see what happens both at and after the Referendum vote.