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Big Brian · 13-04-2016, 06:49

Originally from Damien:

Well we'll have less influence in the EU if we leave, no right to veto, no ability to vote for EU regulations. More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have (despite what Brexiters say, trade deals can demand national laws be passed). World wide I am not sure how we would have more influence.

No right to veto: Why would we want the right to veto if it doesn't effect the UK? Yes there may be some things regarding trade but there would be no need for veto if we negotiate the right deal.

No ability to vote for EU regulations: Do we have that right now? What I mean is, are these regulations not imposed on us anyway?

More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have: Is this not a Brexit argument? Of course we will have a say, we will be making the deals.

Trade laws have to be passed worldwide: Well of course they do and because we will be making those deals, we will have a big say. Do you Remainers really believe no one will want to trade with the UK should we leave the EU? Do you really believe the EU would be so spiteful against the UK if we leave? That would not be in their interest.

The truth is we are likely to have less influence by remaining. The EU will see us as weak and probably to seek to take advantage of us. For example. Say they want to impose more stupid laws on us. They will look at a remain vote as us saying we're happy to go on the way things are. Why should they then give us reforms? We vote to stay it's like giving them the green light to carry on regardless. Imagine a group of workers going on strike for better conditions and returning after a month with nothing. The boss won't take them seriously next time. So it will be with the EU should we remain.

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Big Brian Inactive Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 573	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU Originally from Damien: Well we'll have less influence in the EU if we leave, no right to veto, no ability to vote for EU regulations. More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have (despite what Brexiters say, trade deals can demand national laws be passed). World wide I am not sure how we would have more influence. No right to veto: Why would we want the right to veto if it doesn't effect the UK? Yes there may be some things regarding trade but there would be no need for veto if we negotiate the right deal. No ability to vote for EU regulations: Do we have that right now? What I mean is, are these regulations not imposed on us anyway? More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have: Is this not a Brexit argument? Of course we will have a say, we will be making the deals. Trade laws have to be passed worldwide: Well of course they do and because we will be making those deals, we will have a big say. Do you Remainers really believe no one will want to trade with the UK should we leave the EU? Do you really believe the EU would be so spiteful against the UK if we leave? That would not be in their interest. The truth is we are likely to have less influence by remaining. The EU will see us as weak and probably to seek to take advantage of us. For example. Say they want to impose more stupid laws on us. They will look at a remain vote as us saying we're happy to go on the way things are. Why should they then give us reforms? We vote to stay it's like giving them the green light to carry on regardless. Imagine a group of workers going on strike for better conditions and returning after a month with nothing. The boss won't take them seriously next time. So it will be with the EU should we remain.