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Originally Posted by martyh
I disagree ,voting in means embracing everything we have spent decades trying to avoid .An in vote is a vote of confidence in the EU
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Well we haven't joined the Eurozone or the open-borders arrangement and that will still be the case. We're not signing away our right to leave at a later date (i.e is the 'one-state' happens) and in fact I suspect that if we do vote to remain EU Referendum will join the Scottish Referendum in the list of things that never end.
I see that it would be perceived as a stamp of approval though but such symbolism is partly countered by the symbolism of having 'Britain is not part of ever closer union' stamped all over the place.
I think a vote to remain would be a begrudging pragmatic acceptance than access to the single market is not worth losing.
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Originally Posted by Osem
What you're suggesting would be like staying in a relationship with a deranged partner but refusing to leave because you're worried that you'll meet someone worse.  In such a situation the only sensible thing to do is to move on and make damned sure you're a lot more careful next time, learn from your mistakes and forge new relationships with likeminded people. I think the UK can do just that quite nicely but fully accept that there will be some short term pain.  |
This isn't a marriage with an abusive partner though. It's more like a business deal between two companies that don't quite trust each other. However that business deal allows us to address a much bigger market so we put up with it.
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My point is not that these things don't/can't/won't affect us whether we're in or out but that they're examples of why the EU is a basket case. If that's the stability you speak of God only knows what the instability you fear will result from our exit looks like and why? What do you honestly think will happen if we stay in?
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My fear is that we would see our industries, especially services, stall in growth and maybe even recede as their access to the European market diminishes and we're faced with having to redo the existing trade deals which could take many years and result in worse deals. If we stay in I think things will be as they are. We will moan about the EU and occasionally get angry at some bit of stupidity but ultimately our economy will be more important.