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Old 24-03-2016, 14:09   #1026
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Actually, I am leaning towards voting to leave, but on the cusp, and if someone could provide factual information, it would influence me - however, it's seems to be mainly lack of substance emotive sweeping statements like 'oh noes, we will have an economic crash if we leave' from the Stay In group, or 'we can only have secure borders if we leave' from the Leavers, which neither side seems to want to substantiate, or if they do, they provide no detail or substance.

Both sides seem to be trading on fear, doubt, and uncertainty, so I feel like wishing a plague in both their houses...

I am watching Daily Politics, and the Brexit speaker conflates secure borders and not being able to kick out people who break our laws - I agree with the second point, but the first point is just a meaningless soundbite, because no one will give any details of how they would better secure our borders...

I am not sure where you can get concrete facts unfortunately. This is partly because a lot of it is unknown. Pro-EU people can't say for sure if Cameron's deal will hold or what is in store for the future of the EU and Brexiters can't confirm the terms of any hypothetical trade deal.

I think Full Fact: https://fullfact.org/ is the least biased source I have seen. They have a number of articles that are inconvenient for both sides.

Now entering my biased mode I think the FT is good. The paper is pro-EU so keep that in mind but they've done a good job of presenting both sides of the debate IMO: https://next.ft.com/stream/topicsId/...2NzAy-VG9waWNz

For example they've given space to Brexit columnists and publish articles about the benefits of leaving (as I linked to before).
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