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Originally Posted by Osem
I have to say that the output of RT and Radio Sputnik would be 'worthy' of Donald Trump.
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Indeed. One man's idiot is another man's genius. Donald Trump is very popular despite his views. Like it or not he feels he has the right to say it unlike our Russian friends.
Anyway, back to the EU. Yes we have a voice but who listens? How many times have we been voted down on things that could only have enhanced the EU? It's a voice in the wilderness and will get weaker if we stay in as they will see the UK having no stones and will walk all over us. Staying in the EU will send a message to them that we are happy with the situation and they will then ask themselves what all the fuss was about. We would have a louder voice by not being affiliated to anyone.
Leaving the EU would also allow us to grow our economy by negotiating our own trade agreements with our own rules. We don't need to follow the example of Canada, Norway or Switzerland to achieve this. Despite what some people think, Britain is more than capable of standing on her own two feet on the world stage and achieving what they want.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Wonder how much of that is ministers hiding behind Europe because then they don't have to act, make decisions, be unpopular etc etc we've just given them a fat pay rise when they're doing less work than ever.
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Couldn't agree more. I dare say some of them do hide behind the mask of the EU and these are probably the ones who want to remain in that den of vipers.
Interesting about the fat pay rise though and them saying they don't listen to independent bodies who award such things. The Junior Doctors used that against the Government saying "No? You listened when they gave you an 11% pay rise though." Sorry I digress.
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Originally Posted by Chris
I now understand the point you're making but your use of the term "one party state" is factually incorrect and confuses the issue ...
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My apologies for the confusion.